Episode #123 - Chasing the pump: Edan Fiander

Luc Moore (00:06.063) Wait until it starts uploading. Make sure everything's good. Edan (00:13.644) you Luc Moore (00:14.639) We're going to cut this stuff anyways. Edan (00:16.558) 26%, I guess. Luc Moore (00:21.473) Okay, I think we're good to go. Hey buddy, it's nice to see you again. Edan (00:23.542) Let's go. Yeah, thanks. Me too. Luc Moore (00:31.117) When was it that we met? Was it in, was it Pensacola? Or was it somewhere else? I can't remember. Edan (00:35.531) Yes, I think Pentecost and maybe Legada were you here? Poiling week, legala. Also. Luc Moore (00:46.424) I didn't get to go there. That would have been pretty sick if I could have got to go there. No, yeah, was Foiling Week Pensacola. It's where I tried pump foiling for the first time and I sucked horribly. That sport, man, is really hard to learn. Like, it's super tough. Edan (00:49.718) You Edan (00:54.794) Yeah, same. Edan (01:06.911) It is. Like the beginning of, I mean, I would say it's not the easiest sport to get introduced to, to foiling sports in general. Like maybe it seems the easiest one because you only have the foil to manage and no nothing to do with any waves, reading or the wind. but it's actually, I think one of the hardest at least to start. cause you have no, nothing to help you in your balance then yourself, you know. You need to create your energy and it's really like you jump on the board. You may be glide for two seconds if you are lucky at the beginning. And that's the only knowledge you get every time you start, Whereas if you wing for it, for example, you might do like first 10 seconds flights, which will like bring you a lot of knowledge, sorry, just two seconds, you know. And then swimming back, going back on the dock, getting ready. Luc Moore (02:03.403) Well yeah, you get it. Luc Moore (02:07.756) So why did you choose pump foiling out of all the other disciplines or do you do all of them? Edan (02:15.028) I'm trying to get more into other disciplines because it's always very interesting and you can learn a lot from each of these sports. But I did start by palm foiling. So I come from Switzerland, like Lake Geneva. So over there we have basically no wind, no waves and nothing to do water sports except boats, which I don't have, and dogs. So I mean, palm foiling is like opening a new Luc Moore (02:30.095) cool. Edan (02:45.334) kind of a new era for all the lakes because we can ride, enjoy our time, and we don't need any wind or waves, which we don't have usually. Luc Moore (02:59.212) Okay, and how many months a year can you do it there? You can do it until it's frozen over kind of thing? Edan (03:04.852) Yeah, mean, Lake Geneva is very, very big. It's like one of the biggest lakes in Europe. I mean, it doesn't freeze, hopefully, so I can basically train all year long. I've been training there for Dusseldorf, for example. Then, of course, the water is pretty cold. It goes down to five, six at the lowest. So it's not always the funniest time you get in the day. But at least we can train, and the legs not frozen. So it's really good. And otherwise, like in the summer, of course, it's very pleasant, you know, just being there with friends, sports, it's, yeah, I mean, you can basically pump all year long. but sometimes it's a bit nicer than others. Luc Moore (03:33.485) No Luc Moore (03:56.203) Yeah, that's fair. What got you into it to begin with? Edan (04:01.547) I mean, basically before I was doing a lot of skateboard and I got injured a lot, like out of six years, I was injured for two and a half years. So then I just decided like, I didn't actually decided to switch to pump folding. I just went to try once with a friend. Um, and I just hoped, you know, I mean, to, to succeed from folding, you need just, you know, to go every day and practice. Luc Moore (04:15.024) whoa, okay. Edan (04:30.131) So that's what I did for like the first month of the summer. And then I, you know, it was nice enjoying. And I mean, we'd have a nice community over there, which makes the thing a little bit nicer at the beginning. So you get advices and you evolve a little bit faster than if you were by yourself, just by trying to learn, you know. Luc Moore (04:55.286) Yeah, that's Is there a lot? How many people are in your local community, for example? Edan (05:01.279) Actually, like I'm training in a center called Tropical Corner, which is based in Geneva. In the beginning, it was a windsurf center, which is like 25 years old. And now, you know, they are evolving with the conditions they have and the gear. they are now in wing foiling, course, but yeah, palm foiling and still windsurfing, windsurf foiling. So they're basically doing everything. And we have like a yearly pass. which is super convenient because it's very affordable and you can evolve on the gear. The first year you change a lot, at least I did. So yeah, we have about 250 people that have this yearly pass. So of course we don't have 250 people on the dock at the same time, but we have a community which is, I would say, pretty big, yeah. Luc Moore (05:44.713) Hmm. Luc Moore (05:50.772) No way. Yeah! Luc Moore (05:59.34) Wow, 250 is a pretty decent number. I think that's as many windsurfers that we have in Ottawa and this sport is pretty new. What are the ages of people that are taking part? Edan (06:12.546) It's very surprising because we would think it's like a young sport, you know? And actually we have a lot of old people doing it. I mean, most of, I mean, less young, would say about from 30 to 60. That's the... No, no, no, like 30 to 60, you know, it's not that young. Yeah. And a lot of them are actually doing like more long lasting, you know? Luc Moore (06:18.826) Yeah. Luc Moore (06:26.924) What do you call me old kid? I'm falling in the middle there. Yeah, fair. So 30 to 60. Oh, no way. Yeah. Edan (06:41.458) long distances, that's the goal. So I'm not in this actually. So, but yeah, always having a nice time with them. All of them are nice, know. They work and they come at like the midday break or after work. So, I mean, everyone is pretty easy and nice. Luc Moore (07:04.35) Do they have gear for rental? Does everybody have their own kit? Edan (07:08.649) That's the thing. So basically the school closes October, end of October. So, and we still have a lot of guys doing it in the winter. I would say like, yeah, some of them have the gear. When you have a pretty good level, it's nice to be able to go by yourself whenever you want with your gear. And it's always the same, you know, the setup doesn't change. So still a lot of people even in the winter, I mean, every time I go where at least like Luc Moore (07:25.15) Yeah, nice, okay. Luc Moore (07:33.812) Mm-hmm Edan (07:38.121) Three, five. Luc Moore (07:43.114) Wow, that's pretty cool though. All right. So you got into her for those reasons. What made you want to compete at the SFT, right? Cause this last year was the first year they ever did pump foil competitions. I think you did pretty well there, didn't you last year? Edan (07:45.233) It is. Edan (07:56.125) Yeah. Edan (08:03.337) Like not that well, actually I got into, I mean, I was already doing some competitions in skateboarding. So, I mean, you know, why not? I like the competition spirit and I think I have it. So, and then, so I started actually with the Swiss championships, which was also the first edition in 2023. Yep. End of summer 23. So this was not even in one year I was practicing, I think. Luc Moore (08:12.135) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (08:23.818) All right. Edan (08:33.096) And then, so we had several steps and I would say like five competitions in the year. And then same for 2024 season, same like five competitions in the year. And then actually I didn't know about SFT before very beginning of January 25. So it was a little bit of a rush because my foil broke just before and my old sponsor didn't want to replace it. So I just took. Luc Moore (08:41.362) Okay. Luc Moore (08:56.018) Okay. Edan (09:02.181) I just took an old foil from home. And yes, so I went to Dusseldorf with, I would say lot of expectations because I trained a lot and was pretty disappointed. I ended up fifth. So yeah, then after it was, I would say a good motivation to continue practicing the rest of the year. And it actually worked not that bad. So that's it. And then came back this year also in Dusseldorf with A lot of expectations and this time was more successful. I won the event. So I was really happy and I think it's a good way to start the 26th season. Luc Moore (09:40.455) Hey, congrats. Luc Moore (09:47.594) but you're described as, because you were a two times Swiss champion, right? Edan (09:51.56) Yep. Exactly. 23, 24. And then 25 couldn't do it because it was at the same time as Austria. Yep. Luc Moore (09:55.145) Alright and then now SFT champ. And then SFT champ. Luc Moore (10:03.434) that's why. Okay, all right. Okay. Huh. So how do you train for something like this? Are you always using the same leg forward? Are you switching your legs often so that one doesn't get pumped out more than the other? Edan (10:18.28) No, no, no, I'm always staying on my good side. But I mean, for example, yeah, you know, some some people speak about straps. So I'm strapped on my boat. But I do also practice a lot strapless because, you know, it's very different. Like when you have the straps, it's more like in the strength and less in the feeling, which you could lose if you only did the strap. Luc Moore (10:24.658) Really? Okay. Luc Moore (10:34.886) Mm-hmm, I saw that. Edan (10:47.323) So that's why I sometimes go strapless just to more get in the feeling and lessen the strength. So that's always very interesting. then practicing a lot on the start, speeding up very fast, as fast as possible, actually. The turns, it's pretty basic. And also now I'm followed by a team. So in a medical center, if you want, where I have like basically a coach for their physical preparation side, also like physio and massages. This helps me a lot, I can feel the difference, and I feel less tired on my board, so you do less technical mistakes if you are in good shape. Luc Moore (11:37.435) Mm-hmm. Yeah, I used to do that, train people when I was 25. And we would do bloods and do all that preparation for athletes. It makes a heck of a difference, I think. So it's cool that you're starting off with that so young. To win a race, are you trying to get off the line quickest? Is it the endurance? Is it gathering speed? Like what do you think are some of the key markers that help you become world champ? Edan (11:49.518) It is. It does. Edan (12:07.351) It's everything, know, it's... Maybe, who knows? No, actually, like, I think it's, you know, a bunch of things. It's the mindset. I think this is very important, you know, if you go just there to enjoy, then of course you might not win. Get, like, being ready, you know, practicing. Luc Moore (12:08.329) Apart from your Swiss blood, think. I think it's all Swiss blood. It's the cheese. Edan (12:35.302) on the water, also outside of the water. if you are, as I said, like if you need good shape, you will get less tired. So like, yeah, more acceleration, more energy. You are more powerful basically. also like technically, you know, avoiding a mistake. Pump-foiling, basically if you miss the start, it's done for you. You you're going to go back home and take your flight. So, you know, being consistent on the starts is very, very important. Luc Moore (12:46.14) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (13:00.059) Mm-hmm Edan (13:03.608) And also like leveling, you know, the risk you take. mean, for example, know, in Dusseldorf, so most recently when we had, you start in the 8th or final against someone that is not that good, you know, for example, so you can go easy. So you spare some energy, but you also don't take any risk or less. And then for example, in the final I was against Kyle Thompson. Luc Moore (13:24.337) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (13:29.19) Yeah. Edan (13:32.749) I knew it was going to be more or tight, you know. So at that time, of course, you give everything from the start to the finish line, you know. Luc Moore (13:43.671) Hmm. Hmm. And what kind of mistakes are for let's say people are listening into this and their wing foilers or kite foilers. So they know what pump foiling is, but can you breach the same way that you would wing foiling or is it more tipping out or just getting exhausted? Like what are the major things that are causing you to fall? Edan (14:08.365) I mean, you have different points where can fold, know, as I was saying, like the start, the start is a critical moment, I would say, like, especially for me as I have straps, you know, like if I just basically miss like the toe, like the big toe, whatever toe actually, like, you know, it takes time to put it back, you lose a lot of time, of speed, and as the pull was very short, you know, then you have... Luc Moore (14:14.353) Mm-hmm. Yep. Edan (14:33.731) very fast you have a turn so you cannot build enough speed to turn. But even if you just miss the start, you miss it. It already happened to me and that's life. Then also going fast, if you are pushing to catch someone up or even just to take some more, a few meters in front, well, you can always lose your balance and fall. This happens, it's very basic. Luc Moore (14:39.281) to. Luc Moore (14:47.13) Yeah. Luc Moore (15:02.032) Yeah, fair. Fair, Yeah, makes sense. Edan (15:02.916) And then just like going too close to the boyer and your board touches the boyer, you might fall also. mean, lots of things, you Luc Moore (15:14.67) Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's fair enough then. So what are you training? Are you doing a lot of endurance work, a lot of like biking or obviously you went skiing today, so that'll help. But do you find leg strength and then cardio is what you're looking for? Edan (15:29.407) Yeah, mean, it's like palm falling is very explosive, you know, it's not that much in the endo inside. It's about 20 seconds effort. So we are really looking like for strength in the whole movement, you know, because you can be very strong on like 20 % of the like amplitude you have. Is this in English? You know, like in the whole range, actually. Luc Moore (15:42.633) Okay Luc Moore (15:54.928) Mm-hmm. Edan (15:58.169) You can be very powerful on 20 % of the range of the movement and then the 80 % the person you are not that good. So the purpose is to be powerful on the whole movement. Also for me to get less stiff because I'm really, really stiff and that's the best way to get injured. So I think that's an important point, at least for me. And of course, like on the cardio side, know, training with a mask that stops the oxygen. Luc Moore (16:22.427) Mm-hmm. Edan (16:26.98) on bike running or whatever is always important to develop your breathing muscles. Luc Moore (16:39.014) So you said what, sorry? Your... No, like what are you doing with the mask, sorry? I didn't get that part. Edan (16:39.511) And then, you know Like, you know, the muscles you use, it's like, it's like, imagine like, you know, the mask you use when you sandpaper, for example, it's more or less the same thing. So you can just like settle like the level of air you want. And then you have like to push, like to breathe. It's a real effort, you know, which makes all your muscles work. And then you get air very fast. I mean, that's something pretty known in yes. And then on the water side, it's as I said, like all these, sorry, should I keep on on the water side part? Luc Moore (17:12.378) Really? Luc Moore (17:17.865) I never heard of that before. Luc Moore (17:25.37) Yeah, keep going. I'm just while you're doing that, I was looking up to see what this thing is. And the uses breathing mass training often called elevation or altitude masks as part of his training regime. These are popular amongst endurance athletes and pump foil and similar water sports to build respiratory muscle strength, improving lung capacity and enhance overall breathing efficiency during pumping sessions. Because obviously pump foiling Edan (17:25.944) Yeah. Luc Moore (17:53.828) demands rhythmic breathing. So this thing's supposed to help increase longer pump sessions, better CO2 tolerance and controlled breathing under fatigue, and then also improve recovery for heats. I'm gonna look more into that called training mask 2.0 elevation series. cool. Okay. So you're using that with your coaches at the training center. Edan (17:55.908) It is interesting, I guess. Yup. And said then like on the water side, you know, I was speaking about all these weak points where you can basically fall. So training a lot on the starts, on building up speed the fastest as possible, getting high on the mast, but not too high to spare some energy. And yeah, of course the turns, getting out of the turns the fastest possible with the most height on the mast. Luc Moore (18:29.347) Yeah. Luc Moore (18:46.425) Mm-hmm. Edan (18:47.651) Yeah, mean, also like playing behind other foils so you get the turbulences because some of the competitions were like four on the same track. if in case you are behind another foil, you might get disturbed by the turbulences. Luc Moore (19:11.569) so you get like prop wash and e-foiling, can get that with pump foiling as well. Edan (19:16.181) Exactly. You get it for sure. Luc Moore (19:18.501) interesting. All right, I never thought about that. Yeah, okay, okay. How was it competing in that pool? It looks pretty, it looks like a cool environment. Edan (19:29.283) It is, it is. It's a great environment. mean, it's amazing for, I would say, like the public, you know, they're so close to us. And I mean, it's very short. I mean, it's a close environment. So you have a better idea of the speed we have. And it's a very technical course, which makes it, I think, interesting for the writers, at least. And yeah, I think the... Luc Moore (19:57.614) Mm-hmm Edan (19:58.761) I mean, the level was huge. was really, really high. And actually, I loved competing in the pool. I mean, also, the temperature is pretty nice in mid-January in Germany. Being able to ride in board shorts is not bad. Luc Moore (20:16.416) yeah, that's true. That's true actually. Don't need to wear super thick wetsuits or any of that stuff. How does that impact your pumping by the way, if you're in a winter suit? Cause you're gonna get hot pretty quick, no? Edan (20:19.969) Yeah. No. Edan (20:28.95) It does a lot like Yes, but I mean, your feet, your hands and your head, don't get hot. They stay freezing cold. And I think two points is the weight. know, a wetsuit is when it's wet, it's soaking wet, it's not very light. So it adds a few kilos. And also, the energy you use to move is of course higher. know, need to... mean, a wetsuit is very tight. Luc Moore (20:38.817) Yeah, that's true. Fair enough. Yeah. Luc Moore (20:51.459) Mm-hmm. Edan (21:03.554) Yeah, I mean, it's more tiring, but then when you arrive in this kind of environment, you feel better. And yeah, it looks and feels easier. Luc Moore (21:17.784) Yeah, fair. Yeah, well, it's like windsurfing and stuff in board shorts is I don't know, man, in 42 years of existence. It's amazing. It's unbelievable. You don't have to worry about a single thing. Why do think people should get into pump foiling versus kite foiling? Or do think they should just add it as part of their arsenal? Just something else to do. Edan (21:21.89) Yeah, of course, it's always nicer. Edan (21:38.754) I think if you are interested in pump foiling, just go for it. mean, when you are a kite foiler, wing foiler, I'm sure you can use some of the gear you have in your quiver to get introduced to pump foiling. And I think, of course, it's like a very young sport, but you don't need any conditions. everyone was once on the spot and there was no wind on the waves. It happens. So just find a dock, a rock or whatever and you can go pump folding. So if you have nothing to do, even though it's not your main sport, it's still a nice thing to do. I think. And as a main sport, I mean, it brings a lot of knowledge, you know. I've like, then I started wing folding and of course I'm not the best, but you know, I just enjoy it and I think I don't, I'm not that bad. So. Luc Moore (22:09.239) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (22:20.833) Yeah, that's true. Edan (22:33.993) also getting introduced to surfboarding. was in Indonesia back November, December. And, you know, it feels so easy as soon as you are on the board, either by towing or paddling. I mean, you're just on the belly on the board, but you are up. Then you just go up, pump, fall, connect the waves. And I think like you learn some of the following sports so fast. It's, I mean, Luc Moore (22:56.642) I see what you're saying. Edan (23:02.251) then just depends on the level you have in palm foiling. if your level is as intimated good, it's so easy to learn other sports, I think. Luc Moore (23:17.431) Because the pump foils are obviously they're high aspect, right? And they're pretty, how has, let's rephrase that. The equipment's come a long way, right? Since pump foiling started. So what do you find now? Are the foils a lot faster, a lot more maneuverable? You can do a lot more stuff rather than just being these things that are 10 feet wide and can hardly move. Edan (23:40.378) Yeah, I mean, that's interesting. So all of the points you said, like today, the four is they are faster. They are, can carve them. can have a huge glide. They have, you know, you have folks who are everything, but the impression I have is like today, the brands are going more in a four that glides afford. That's done for like high speed afford. That's done to turn to carve. And you don't have like fours that Luc Moore (23:55.266) Hmm. Edan (24:06.663) makes everything and they have like the good ratio, know, and that's why I love lift. So that's the key I'm using. And I'm riding the 120 high aspect, which is like a four years old wing, but it works just great. know, it's, it has a huge glide. can push it to very high speed. I mean, at least good speed. And you can, it's so playful. Like even in waves, you know, you can can enjoy small waves because you have a good glide, good speed and good turns. Edan (24:44.0) That's my opinion. Luc Moore (24:44.064) What's the, is it like, all right, how many square centimeters is that? Edan (24:51.424) That's 775 square centimeters. And I think the aspect ratio is 12 something. Lift HA 120, yes. Luc Moore (24:57.152) Okay, so that's lift 120. All right, on here it says 10 point lift H a 120. It says it's 10.2, but this thing could this thing could be wrong. But all right, so you're looking so that's a it's pretty accurate. Huh, that's pretty small aspect like that's that's small for 775. Does that make starting harder? Is it just? No. Edan (25:05.632) Yeah. Edan (25:09.823) No, no, it's very... ...problem. Yeah, probably. Edan (25:20.52) It's not that high and I've been riding Edan (25:25.984) Maybe just a little bit, you know, but then you turn so tight. mean, you cannot have this like I've been trying the like other wings from our range and we go up to like 16 of aspect ratio. So I can start like a 91, which is 580 square centimeters. So of course it goes very, very fast, you know, but I mean, 16 is super high. It doesn't turn that well. Luc Moore (25:39.264) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (25:53.462) Yeah. Edan (25:54.784) So it's just finding the good ratio between glide, fast, I mean the speed and the turns. I our tracks with SFT, they're not like straight lines, you know. We go around, we have more technical courses. So yeah, we need to find a good balance. Luc Moore (25:58.133) Mm-hmm. Luc Moore (26:05.662) Alright. Luc Moore (26:15.806) Okay, now how does it feel being multiple world champions, world champions, Swiss champion at 19 years old? You must be lining up for interviews left, right and center. What's going on? Edan (26:31.775) You know, like foam foiling is a small sport, but of course, I mean, it's super nice, you know, if I think we can like help the sport to grow, I'm sure like it might have a great future, maybe a near great future. And I mean, you the most important is that I enjoy riding, practicing, training and competing. So I think that's the most important. Of course, it's very nice to be world champion twice with champion. But that's not the key point, know, even though I want to stay world champion at least for the next few years, if possible, you know, I'm getting organized now. Like now I'm in Gap year, sabbatical year, but from September 26, actually, I will start university. Luc Moore (27:05.995) Mm-hmm Luc Moore (27:21.621) Mm-hmm. Cool. Edan (27:27.647) And yeah, I'm trying to find an agreement with the university to be able to still compete for the next few years. I hope so. Luc Moore (27:41.268) I hope so for you too. think that's some of the most fun times when you can push super hard at a sport and have a blast and yeah, hopefully what are you taking at school? Edan (27:43.081) Thanks. Edan (27:50.417) Exactly. I'm going to do business management in St. Galles, which is a small town in Switzerland, New Zürich. So yeah. We'll see where life brings me. Luc Moore (28:04.399) cool. All right, we gotta ask what, yeah, no, I hear you. What's, onto some Q and A, what's your favorite dessert? Because my mom's been to Switzerland, she absolutely loved the food over there. So what would you recommend? Edan (28:24.26) A Swiss desert or any desert? Luc Moore (28:28.592) Yeah, anything Swiss dessert, your cheese is supposed to be unbelievable too. Edan (28:33.8) think like as a Swiss dessert, I mean we don't have that much. basically chocolate is amazing. We have something called meringue and crème de gruyere. I don't know really the English name. I'm not sure it even exists. But it's basically like meringue and very thick and rich cream from a region in Switzerland called Gruyere where the cheese comes from actually. Luc Moore (28:39.551) Yeah Luc Moore (28:43.398) That's it, right? Luc Moore (28:55.476) the career. Edan (29:03.952) So, I mean, this with like red fruits is not bad, but not that healthy, you know. I miss eating it every day. Luc Moore (29:12.895) Yeah. I know that you Swiss, you guys like to keep in shape and do everything. But yeah, okay, so it's an ultra-thick double cream. Whoa, I'd like to see that. High fat dairy product, 40 to 45 % fat, oh, that must be so good, That would be sick. All right, that's pretty tasty. What's your... Edan (29:16.203) Yeah. Edan (29:22.704) Exactly, like double cream. Edan (29:31.097) Yeah. is. Luc Moore (29:36.095) What's your diet like at 19? Mine was super clean because I was working out all the time and being so active. Do you watch or moderate your diet? Edan (29:45.437) I do push it. I need to take some weight in the way of muscles. So yeah, have like an app where I basically scan all my food and I have to eat, I don't know, like 3000 calories a day. Which is a lot. I'm not able to eat that much. And like 170 grams of proteins and other things. Luc Moore (29:50.642) Yeah. Luc Moore (29:56.222) Yeah, we're little, Luc Moore (30:05.49) Yeah, okay. Luc Moore (30:09.982) Okay. Edan (30:14.299) So yes, I'm having a look at this not closely, but still having a look. Luc Moore (30:16.218) I think that you're comp... I think you're competitors. I think your competitors are gonna be into trouble, especially the Swiss. You guys make some good food. Your watches are always on time. It's gonna be tough to beat. Edan (30:34.415) We'll see. I mean, of course, mean, speaking about what's in like the communities is big, same as like Austria, Germany, you know, this kind of countries where I mean, all these countries, people are used to ski, so they like, you know, this kind of outdoor sports. But we don't have the occasion to, to, to do winter for kites for whatever you want, because we don't have any wind. Now I'm in Saint-Moritz, Ivaplana. It's a pretty well-known windy spot in the summer. But as I said, it's opening a whole new perspective in foiling and in water sports. That's why I think it's successful. Luc Moore (31:05.276) Okay. Luc Moore (31:18.387) Yeah. Luc Moore (31:22.61) Yeah, that's awesome. Well, Heaton, thanks for taking the time after a big day on the slopes. I know you're starving. So thanks for talking to us and it was nice to see you again. Edan (31:30.769) Thanks. Yeah, nice to see you too. good. I will actually send you these videos. I'm not sure how... Luc Moore (31:35.976) All right, we're gonna chat soon and yeah, thanks for joining us everybody.