Episode #137-Foil4All Event with Carl and Agustin

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. On this episode we talk with Agustin from Weekend Foil and Carl from the Launchpad Windsurf Academy all about the Foil Foil event that just took place in Halifax. This event looks super fun and the guys break down every detail. They even got to see some sail GP boats rip around. They met Tom who's on the Northstar team and they even told us how loud those boats are when they're flying by.

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[00:01:49] Whether you wing, kite, parowing, downwind, pump or e-foil, thanks for being here. Alright, fellas. It's nice to see you. Great to be here. Great. Yes. Super excited for this. So, we're going to chat about the event that just happened in Halifax. I got some of the footage from there. Too bad I couldn't go. It looked pretty fun though. So, what was it called and why were you guys there?

[00:02:15] Yeah. So, Weekend Foil hosted its third Foil for All event. So, that's basically a community foiling event out in Halifax that's been running now for its third year now, which is pretty exciting. Oh, and Carl, you made your way down. We were chatting. Yeah. I was super excited to be invited to coach there again. I did that two years ago and found it hugely rewarding. There's sort of different groups that Weekend Foil targets.

[00:02:45] The first and one of the most fun on the weekend before the SailGP races is just open to the public. People find the website. They hear about it. They sign up. You were all sold out, right, for people. And so, I had some complete beginners, some people who understood what winging and wing foiling are because they had a windsurfing or a sailing background.

[00:03:14] And the goal was to get them hooked on the sport by taking them out, depending on the conditions, toe foiling or holding a wing on shore and getting the stoke going. So, it was June 13th to June 19th, 10 to 4. Halifax is such a beautiful city, too. Oh, you're still there. You're lucky, man. That place is gorgeous.

[00:03:40] Yeah, it's a fantastic place. I mean, I love Halifax. It's such a nice place. The people here are fantastic. And actually, it's a perfect-sized city for SailGP. But overall, the location that we were on, it was just out of this world. So, right at the Halifax waterfront, like prime location, downtown waterfront setup, there's the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic.

[00:04:11] And literally, over the last year and a half, they've been building this brand new facility out on the waterfront, which is the Boat School. And we were actually, basically hosted us there. They gave, we've been working, we were doing this event for them for the last two years. The first edition of Foil for All, we did it out of like a container at the Halifax waterfront.

[00:04:38] And yeah, last year, we did it out of the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic, which was a bit of a courtyard that they have right there, right downtown. And they told us, yeah, next year, we're going to have our brand new building. And it's literally a phenomenal boathouse where they run fantastic programs there. And they opened the doors to us.

[00:05:03] And that was kind of like our operational center with like brand new docks where you literally like launch and you're right there on the water, downtown Halifax. You have to like go anywhere. Like it's, you're right there. And we're like, I think it's average 7,000 people walk through the Halifax waterfront on a daily basis.

[00:05:29] And that's average, not in the summer where we have like, you know, cruiser, cruise ships coming in with 10,000 people landing every day there. It was fantastic. It's such a great, great spot to promote foiling because as you're walking with your students from the courtyard where the gear is, you're holding the wing and people are literally stopping you saying, what's that? Is that a windsurper? Is that a kite foil? No, it's the new thing.

[00:05:58] It's five and a half years old. It's revolutionary. It's crazy cool. Touch this. And their face lights up as they hold this thing into the breeze. It's really an incredible place to accomplish Weekend Foil's mission. Yeah. So is that, I would say, yep. Was that the point of the event? Sorry. Because you guys also worked with some like Team North Foils, right? Was there?

[00:06:25] So that was the weekend doing the public. And so I have three highlights of the event. And the first one was during that public thing because, you know, people show up. They don't quite know what it's going to be. There was a guy on the Saturday who was walking by and said, what is this? And it was explained to him. And he said, oh, can I do it tomorrow? And they said, well, it's sold out. But why don't you leave your number in case there's a cancellation?

[00:06:55] Sure enough, there was a cancellation. He gets called. Turns out he's two days in Canada from India. And he signs up. He gets a wetsuit fitted to him. He gets out on the boat. He tow foils. He holds a wing. He balances. He goes forward. And the video of his interview is just priceless. It's hands down the best interview that's ever been done on the Halifax waterfront.

[00:07:24] It's so fun. So that's the first part. Random public. Let's promote foiling. What's the rest of the week then? Yeah. So we had, as you probably saw, it was a long week with multiple events. So we started the week with two days, as Carl was saying, of public demos. We're literally trying to connect the public that maybe don't have much opportunity.

[00:07:53] And maybe they see these things flying or maybe they see it on Instagram. It shows up on their algorithm or they're there in the water. And they see this SailGP thing flying around. But it's literally providing an opportunity for them to connect with the water. And this is where we try to actually bring new people into the sport, which it's been fantastic. I would say, I believe we had over 150 people.

[00:08:21] I haven't run the final numbers because we literally just finished. I believe we had at least over 100 people trying foiling for the first time over the first two days. And that doesn't count the hundreds of people that have literally been stopping by. Because we had a wasp and a wingfoil just there on display. And we have a lot of really cool photos and stuff like that and banners. And people were literally stopping by and taking pictures.

[00:08:48] Like if they were taking pictures with a movie, Rockstar or something. And then the rest of the week was more targeted events. So we had two days where we partner with community programs out from Halifax with underrepresented communities.

[00:09:10] Where we provided access to not just foiling, but access to connecting to the water with some community programs. With people that otherwise they don't really have much opportunity to access sailing or the water. So it was pretty cool to see that through foiling as their first connection to the water. Then we had two days where we had women's foiling clinics.

[00:09:39] One was literally for new women into the water. And then the other one was with women that are already into racing and high performance sailing. So they were really trying to upgrade their game and welcome them more into the foiling world.

[00:10:03] Which was also super fun because we had actually some local professional soccer team, female athletes as well, that joined us for that. So there was a really cool environment. How did you? Fantastic. They loved it. They loved it. They were like, wow. Because people who are into high adrenaline sports, sometimes it's in soccer, sometimes it's in foiling.

[00:10:31] So they actually, the conversations within the female athletes was fantastic. That also included a breakfast and Q&A with some of the SailGP professional athletes, female athletes.

[00:10:45] So there was an opportunity to meet them up and exchange lots of ideas and talk a lot about how do women can progress in the professional career stream.

[00:11:02] And then after that, we did four days of four days, basically, of a high performance foiling camp, which is, that was more kind of like the wrap up of Foil for All, which was four days of really trying, getting foilers from all across Canada flew in to do Wasp Wing Foil, which are already like foilers and really like upgrade their game into the foiling world as well.

[00:11:31] So that's literally what foil for all is. It's like literally foil for everybody. For everybody. Yeah. What were the conditions like? I would say, first of all, Halifax Harbor, water's always chilly. So we had, everybody was wearing wetsuits. And we had, and this, yes. So conditions was cold water, but actually the cold water in Halifax brings usually great wind, honestly.

[00:12:00] And it's one of the things that makes Halifax Harbor such a nice place for sailing. It's flat water. You know, it's always flat water and cold water as well. But yeah, and we had good breeze. Some days, some days a lot of wind. Some days just marginal, just marginal conditions. But I think there wasn't, there wasn't a single day where nobody, where there was no foiling. Every day there was foiling for sure. Yeah. Wetsuits went from 5-4 to 4-3 to 3-2 over the week. It got warmer.

[00:12:29] No 6-5-4s. That's not too bad. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, and most of the days it was fun as a coach. I could, you know, oh, let me show you and take some of the gear for a spin. And on one of the days, the black foils were out testing their new F50.

[00:12:53] And I was out foiling in the harbor and literally needed to check my jive so that I wasn't jiving into their path. Yeah. Now, you can hear that boat. Like, it is loud. Like, you don't get a sense when you watch them on TV quite how loud that 2,000-pound boat is when it's, you know, going upwind at 80 kilometers an hour. There are a lot of forces at play.

[00:13:23] But, wow, was that ever cool to see and then to be on the water with them was super cool and fun. Yeah. When you hear the, you know, when you're foiling and you hear, like, your foil kind of, like, humming, you know? Like, imagine that, like, 50 times more and louder because, like, the foil is a lot bigger, right? Oh, yeah. So, it's huge.

[00:13:51] But, yeah, it was so cool and so inspiring for everybody around, you know, showcasing, sailing and foiling to the masses, to everybody. Like, I think we had, what do you think, Carl, was like 10,000 people or something like that on the grandstands cheering. It was fantastic. No way.

[00:14:09] On the Saturday and Sunday, they did little wasp races and demos with, I think there were almost eight wasps out with some of the young sailors showing off as the pregame show, so to speak. Yeah. But speaking of premiers, the X-15, the new starboard race kit showed up in Halifax. How was that thing? And we got to take it out of the cases and put it together.

[00:14:35] Well, Tom Ramshaw, who's one of the grinders for the Canadian team, took it out for a spin. And there's great footage of him. It was a little light. He could pump up onto the foil. But, man, did that guy have skill. He was one-handed toe surfing. So the Zodiac would throw him a line. He'd be on the foil, holding the wing with one hand and the toe rope, get up on the foil and then sail along.

[00:15:04] So there's great footage of Hans, certainly the first Canadian professional sailor that I know of on the X-15 and in Halifax, putting on a good show. And then if I may, there was a nice shout-out to the Foil Life podcast because he came back on shore. And I walked over and, you know, kind of fanboy saying hi.

[00:15:29] And then he looked at me and he said, are you Carl from the launch pad? And I said, yeah. How do you know about me? He's like, oh, I listened to your entire Foil Life podcast with Luke. And so that's where I thought we've got to have a call here to go over that because I didn't quite know the reach that this podcast has, Luke. It's pretty impressive. Yeah, we're growing.

[00:15:58] This has been a good year for us, to be honest. Yeah, it's been super fun. Tom's supposed to come on because I want to know what it feels to go screaming on the water at 80, close to 100 or whatever those guys are doing. And what his job is. And that looks just insane. I think he'd be happy to tell you, but also maybe how it relates to, you know, just being a wing foiler. True. Absolutely. He's a diehard wing foiler that, you know, he loves it. He loves wing foiling.

[00:16:28] But yeah, his job is to go on, compete on, be a professional athlete on a 50-foot catamaran that foils at 100 kilometers an hour. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Did you guys get to see any other kind of cool gear? Anything that's coming out that we haven't kind of seen yet or anything that we, the average person who wing foils on the weekend? I got to track my session using water speed.

[00:16:53] So my GPS trail, I did, I used the water speed app and I'm starting to play with all the features there of EMG and stuff like that. What's like a very cool and handy app. I was tracking jibes and tacks and stuff and it was fascinating to see the speed and how you would go into a corner and what happened and where you went wrong. And even for windsurfing, because I was windsurfing in Maui last year and I use it for every single session.

[00:17:21] Not only did it track my time, obviously, but I could see where my heart rate was and see, oh, that's probably when the wave was. And then speeds and when you're attacking and jibing, how slow you would pick up. So shout out to those boys for continuously pushing that because it definitely adds a lot to our, and the safety stuff. Like with the new Apple watch, I got the ultra and yeah. So there's a lot of safety features in there that I wouldn't have otherwise had otherwise. So it's not too bad.

[00:17:52] Cool. That was a plug. There you go. Yeah. Um, so my, my third highlight was just, uh, uh, that when I took some of the, the women, their competitors who, you know, were super skilled sailors, uh, on other craft, but they were trying wing foiling for the first time. Um, it was fun to teach them because when you're teaching someone who's an expert, you don't have to talk about, you know, where's the wind coming from and trying to stay up when they know all of, all of those terms and stuff.

[00:18:21] It's just, they want to get on the board and balance and go. And, uh, my, my challenge is actually slow everything down. Just like move your arms slowly. You don't need to do these big, big motions. And by, by the end, uh, when we were getting off the boat, uh, both of them were, were peppering me with questions about where can I get gear? Can I ask you for advice? Like I, I, I'm, I'm after one session on the water, I'm, I'm addicted and I need to get wing foiling.

[00:18:51] So, uh, you know, uh, hats off to, to Aug and to Tara, um, Macaulay who runs, uh, ran the, the other part of the program for getting so many people out on the water and, and, uh, addicted and going in the right direction. So I was going to say like, it was, it was a super fun week where I feel like, yeah, within, within, we introduced a lot of people, uh, into the, into the sport.

[00:19:17] And also I believe we converted a lot of people from like the non-foiling world into the foiling world. Just sort of 80 centimeters. Yeah. Yeah. A little higher. Yes. And in cold water, like relatively chilly water, let's say very impressive. Yes. I think, I think the water was what, 10 degrees or something like that. No, no one actually complained.

[00:19:41] Even, even the, the guy from India, he was like, yeah, I need to bring this back. And he's like the idea of getting cold. Yeah. I should actually tell that story. Like that's, that's also super cool. Yeah. Well, I alluded to it. I think linking to the video of him on the boat as he does the debrief, um, I think it's in that long video. Um, it's just so good. Yeah. Hands down the best experience he's had.

[00:20:12] That's awesome. Huh? Well, you guys have been doing quite a bit of work at Weekend Foil, spreading foiling all over Canada. And it's nice to see that you guys are kicking and growing. Talk about the hubs across the country and, uh, some of the events coming up like Kingston. Any new hubs since the last time we chatted? Yeah. So we've, we've been expanding in hubs.

[00:20:36] Um, we are, we, we haven't now, we currently have like 11 hubs across the country right now. Um, a couple of, a couple on the West coast. And also we've been really trying to grow and partner with, um, the, uh, provincial sailing associations, uh, of Alberta, uh, and Manitoba as well. To try to start, uh, actually start, uh, foiling, uh, on those, on those provinces. Uh, yes.

[00:21:05] And we actually, during, uh, during this event, the fall for all event, we actually had, uh, one of the, uh, the, uh, a coach from Alberta that was, uh, here the whole week, uh, getting trained to then actually start, uh, wing foiling programs in, in Alberta next, you know, uh, over, over the summer. Um, so, so yeah, so, so lots of, lots of activities over there.

[00:21:29] Very excited to continue working along with, with Cell Canada into our instructor, uh, instructor, uh, development program, uh, for foiling. So, uh, training and certification, uh, we, we did, um, we did, um, we did this last month. Yes.

[00:21:46] In May, um, one instructor course, uh, in Kingston, Ontario, where we had coaches from Bank, uh, BC, uh, Ontario, Quebec, uh, Manitoba, Alberta as well. Um, all the way coming to, uh, for, for three days, uh, to get trained and certified, uh, for, for the, for, for our instructor, uh, curriculum, which was fantastic.

[00:22:14] Um, and then we are planning, uh, uh, we're planning on doing a few more events like the fall for all event. Uh, we have August 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. We're going to be having our first, uh, BC Foil Fest in Squamish, British Columbia. Um, sick. Which we're going to be showcasing a lot of, uh, a lot of wing foiling. A lot of, a lot of people to try, to try, get introduced to, uh, wing foiling or Windsor foiling, uh, as well as Wasp.

[00:22:44] Um, we're, we're, we're, our guest coach and guest speaker for that event is going to be Max Robinson. Just, uh, a familiar face around this, uh, around this community. Yes. Uh, legend guy. Um, and, uh, after that, we're going to go back to, um, go back to Kingston, uh, where we will be having as well, lots of demos and a couple of, uh, and a regatta as well. For the, I think it's August 6th to 9th.

[00:23:13] I should probably have this written down. Um, as well, as well. Over as, as, as well over in about two weeks, we're going to kick, sorry, three weeks. We're going to kick off our foil Kingston event. Uh, that's as well as being Kingston, which where we are aiming, that's to be our first sort of one design, uh, wing foil, uh, event, uh, with the, uh, having eight X-15s on the start line. All one design kits.

[00:23:42] Uh, so yes, any, any, anybody who wants to get, anybody wants to just get more fun out of the sport. And a wing foiling. I strongly recommend, you know, do some racing and, uh, um, do some racing. It's, it's a ton of fun, uh, just to get another good excuse to go on in the water, make friends and, and go fast. As I understand that the, uh, the X-15s are available for charter, uh, July 17 to 19 in Kingston, right? Correct. Yes.

[00:24:11] For any, for any, uh, for any wing foil experience, uh, athletes, uh, happy to, happy to provide them with the, uh, with, with the next 15. Um, so that they can actually be on the start line and actually match their, uh, match their skills, uh, on, you know, an equal equipment basically. What's charter? Is that rent or is that demo? Uh, no, we're, yes, we will be including in the registration fee for, for the event basically.

[00:24:41] Oh, cool. Uh, the equipment will be provided. Nice. All right. You're going to be there too, Carl? Uh, I'm planning on being there. I'm not sure I'll be on the X-15. Um, we'll, we'll see. Uh, it's 82 liters. Uh, and I'm, I'm a lot more than 82 kilograms. KGs. Yeah. Okay. So, so we kind of, we kind of know that. Retirement's treating you well, Carl. Yeah. There's been, it was an interesting discussion, um, because generally.

[00:25:11] A lot of the wind sports, you need to be heavy to hold down the big gear to win. Yeah. Um, and I'm curious if that's going to be the case, uh, in, in, you know, the X-15, the class type wing foil stuff or whether, you know, you have a bunch of events where the wind's a bit lighter and suddenly Robbie Nash at 15 is winning, uh, the, the regatta because he's the lightest and most skilled sailor.

[00:25:39] Um, so it'd be really interesting to follow the class and see what winds up being the winning, uh, you know, body type. But I think just showing up, uh, will be good for the eight lucky people who get to try the X-15 in Kingston. Nice. Yeah. Well, it's a, it's an interesting concept where that is heading. Uh, I believe they're, they're trying to position the class to, to become an Olympic, the next Olympic class.

[00:26:06] I mean, there's, in my opinion, there's, there's no doubt that, that, uh, wing foiling is, is coming to the Olympics. It's going to get on board as Olympic discipline, which is very exciting. Uh, you know, it's the fastest growing water sport in the world. There should be, there should be a rep. It should be represented at the Olympic games. Um, and I think that, yeah, the, the key thing is, is trying to define whether, uh, the, uh,

[00:26:30] the equipment, select the, the, the kind of equipment for that is follows more like the, uh, the formula kite, um, you know, road, uh, or whether it follows more like the IQ foil, uh, road, which was more, which is more one design, um, versus more open concept, uh, or what I called, uh, box rule equipment where you can supply, you know, your equipment or you can, you know,

[00:26:59] you can set up your equipment as long as it's within the rules of a certain box. Yeah. Those parameters exactly. Um, yeah. Hats off to Sven. Um, there's some amazing technology. First, there's a picture that we can foil use to make a poster and it's a Sven from, uh, starboard racing on the X 15. Look, you can make, you make out of it. Oh, I know that guy.

[00:27:26] Um, and so, uh, the technology, I, I'd never seen a wing with a removable love. And so the 4.5 goes down to a 3.9. There's a zipper and you can see by your face, Luke, you haven't heard of this before because I've never heard of it until last week. Yeah. It's like, what, what a great idea.

[00:27:50] And it's still then a very high aspect, very fast, but not as, you know, uh, powerful because you're in even higher wind. So it should be interesting. Like, what are the rules going to be? Can you unzip it halfway in the course because you, you wiped out and put it in your life jacket, the extra parts? Like I'm, I'm, I'm curious. This is going to be exciting to, to watch that develop. Huh? Yes. So, so. And it's fast. I can see your brain. I can see.

[00:28:21] Yeah. Well, I was just, I was just thinking like, I was in Lava town a couple of years ago and I got to meet Chris McDonald and we're following him and Benji on the water. And when they would go for a jump, they would go into super speed and just lose me like triple the speed that I could go. And they're not even racing. So imagine how fast these kids are racing. And then to put them all on that to see, cause a lot of the kids that have been on the show are like, Oh, I would love to have the opportunity to compete at the Olympics in this.

[00:28:49] So we're really looking forward to that, to see how that progresses. And it is quite interesting. What do you think, Carl, would be the, the difference if we went with that box style or just everybody rode the same kit and maybe Og too? What do you, what would you guys think would be the best? I, I, I don't know. And I, I, I think a bit of the challenge is going to be to get the foilers who were all soul surfers, right?

[00:29:13] Like there, there were not, there were not people who grew up at, at, at clubs with opti sailing and stuff like that. The majority come from a more individual, but I know like in Collingwood, there's a great community of foilers. Like I think there is a need to have some kind of racing to get people together on Wednesday nights like they do in Toronto. Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:29:39] I would say that I think, yes, I think getting this, uh, Olympic pathway, definitely going to engage a lot more the youth, to be honest. Um, because, uh, I, you know, I think wing foiling has been growing so much. Um, but I, I still yet to see that big youth component that, that I think we all know that

[00:30:07] the potential is there, but I think this, this sort of like racing, which at the end of the day is, it's a game, right? Uh, it's, it's a game. I think this is the, the, the piece of the puzzle that is missing to, to unlock, uh, the youth participation, honestly. Hmm. Hmm. And, uh, and, and from an equipment perspective, I mean, I, I, I am a little bit biased, uh, because

[00:30:33] I, I do believe, uh, with my, also with, from my, my dingy, dingy background that, um, one design is really what brings, brings the masses together to play the game really. Hmm. Um, and also in, in my opinion, like when I was trying to make up my mind about, you know, whether to go the X-15 pathway or not, like when I, when I saw, uh, when, when winds, winds,

[00:31:03] winds are foiling and kite foiling were both included at, uh, at the Olympics and the Olympic games at the same time, uh, one with a one design package and the other one with sort of like a boxed rule formula, open formula or, you know, formula, formula rule package. One made the sport grow and the other one, you know, uh, definitely, definitely not up

[00:31:32] to the expectation, I would say. Um, so that's, that's, and that, and those are more speaking from a, from a numbers perspective, right? Like you see what the, uh, IQ foil sort of world championships look like versus what the, you know, formula kite, uh, and, and, and how that, even though, even though you could argue that kite surfing or the kiting community over the last two decades has been even booming more than the windsurfing community.

[00:32:01] But however, uh, you look at the numbers of participate, participating in the game. Uh, yes, absolutely. No, no doubt. I wonder why. Which is the way to go. Is it the fact that you don't have to think about it? Is it all that everybody feels that they can compete more because everybody's using the same kit or? Yeah. It's not an arms race. It's not. First of all, first of all, it's not an arms race. Second, uh, believe it or not. And, and I know a lot of people push, you know, a lot of, a lot of people push back quite

[00:32:29] a bit on the, on the equipment because, um, from, uh, from, uh, the IQ foil, for example, it's not the most advanced or it's not the fastest, uh, per se, or the most high performance, uh, wind foil kit that it's out there. Right. There's other brands or there's other, you know, however, it's one that you can actually,

[00:32:53] uh, get properly introduced how, how to do foil racing and all, you can take it all the way to Olympics and since the same kit, uh, uh, versus, you know, I, I'm a, I've been kiting 20, you know, I've been cutting all my life for 20 years or 25 years. And I don't really relate to the Olympic kiting equipment. Like it's, it's, and I'm not sure that has, and I'm not sure that has brought more people

[00:33:22] into the sport per se. Like, uh, you look at the participation numbers and it's, I don't believe there it's, it's skyrocketing, like, or, you know, like it's doing as well as the, uh, the windsurf ones. And you would have thought that now kite kiting is going to have stronger numbers because it's kind of like more, it's been booming more the last two decades. Right. But it's actually, I wouldn't say so. So we talked briefly with starboard. We're going to see if we can cover some of this for those who haven't heard.

[00:33:52] Let me see if I can share my screen for a quick second. She hasn't kind of explained this to me, but, um, so it's one board, one foil in one wing. Um, but it looks like here, the all round front foil is easy to use at eight 80 for light to medium riders. And then you got a five 60 for stronger winds, or you have a 1200. So how does all this work? Yeah. I think you need another call for it unless I can do it. I'm not there.

[00:34:23] Yeah. So, so they, they came up with like my understanding and what I like about this. And honestly, it was literally last week that I was able to get my hands, uh, for the first time in the, in an X 15 kit. Right. And I was very impressed, uh, by the, by the level of high performance, you know, the performance, uh, display on the, of the foils and off the board, to be honest, like, you know, it's, it's trailing edges sharp.

[00:34:53] Yeah. Yeah. So I don't have, I don't believe they're like falling from a board and foil, foil perspective. They're not fall, you know, it's not quite behind from like some, like the top end, super high end performance, um, equipment out there. Kids from a, from a wing perspective. It's just a, it's, I would say it's a main, more of a traditional wing. So it's not, you know, the two skin wings are super high, high performance, uh, very sensitive.

[00:35:24] Uh, so I think it's a very good balance. You do have the options. Um, you do have the options. If you look in the website, you actually do have the options for the three different, uh, front wings, uh, which you can actually opt. Uh, and I, and I would say those are more about based on conditions or also. Um, uh, sizes I would say, but then you also have the, the pre the Rick recommended wing

[00:35:50] sizes based on the different categories, whether like you're you, you 14, you 16, uh, you know, your junior youth women or senior. So it, it rains quite a bit, uh, in, in, in that as well. Um, I think you're, um, the, the wing I would say is one of the nicest I've held the, uh, the, it's got a, a carbon boom. There's a nice foam on the inside of the boom.

[00:36:20] So your fingers stay where they are, but it's also softer on your fingers. And the, uh, the bladders pump up to 10 PSI, which is higher than most of the things I've, I've pumped up. So it's a really stiff, efficient, really lightweight, beautiful wing. Obviously all harnessed. I assume they're not really arming these things, right? Yeah, probably. So they have the, the, the boom so far, but I think the harness is going to be optional. Oh, really? All right. Okay. Yeah.

[00:36:50] Cool. That'll be fun to try. Yeah. And then you have the, uh, yeah. Yeah. Then you have the, uh, the different wing sizes. So for example, for, um, Oh, here we go. For the U19 sailors, do you have? Yeah. All right. So we got a four, four and a half, five, five and a half, six, six and a half. Like the board. So you got some, what are those? Up here, it was saying 82 liters.

[00:37:19] The narrow 82 liter board gets going in light winds, easy to control floats most riders. And then we got a five 60, eight 80 and 1200 front wing. Most riders. But, uh, that's the wing that we were talking about here. Yes. Correct. Yeah. That's the kit. Okay. Then if you go into the equipment, it kind of gives you the, the, the, the recommended, uh, wing size. Um, yeah. Wing sizes based on the different, uh, racing categories.

[00:37:50] Front foils. Uh, front foils and actual, uh, wings. Okay. Yeah. So there you have, as you can see the wing for the, for the U 13, it recommends, you know, yes, it's the 4.5 meters with the zip option. Oh, interesting. And then it goes all the way to the senior female. You have the six meter and the 4.4 and a half meter wing with a zip option.

[00:38:15] And then you have for the senior male, you have six and a half and five meter options. Huh? So all of this is broken. Wonder who had the fun, fun job of breaking all this stuff down, but all in the same size board. Fascinating. All in the same size. Exactly. Yeah. Same boom, same board. Default front wing is always the 880 and then optional front wings. You can go 560 or 12.

[00:38:43] Default tail wing is 200 and they're all running 69 centimeter fuses and they got prices there in euros, uh, with taxes. And you have also, you're always running the 100, 100 centimeter, um, mast. I was going to ask about that. Yeah. Yeah. They all, they all, you're all running the 100 centimeter mast. And then for the, for the more like the, the youth junior options, uh, they actually have

[00:39:11] an aluminum version and then you're, you, then you get upgraded to the carbon version version. Hmm. Hey Luke. Well, Carl, can I ask a favor? Sure, buddy. As an industry, can we start calling the thing that's under the water, the foil and not the front wing? That's fair. It's a wing, a foil and a board. And because. A front foil. That makes sense. Front foil. Front foil.

[00:39:38] The students get so confused when half of the industry is calling the thing in the air, a wing and the thing under is a foil. We're going to make this into a little short reel. So you heard it. So it's front foil, rear foil. And I think that's all we need, right? Exactly. Yeah. And the wing up in the air. That is how the rest of the foiling world calls that is the front foil. Yes. Something to learn.

[00:40:08] Something to learn. So it was a pretty good time overall. Then you guys are happy that you got to go. And Og, you got a pretty fun travel schedule coming up for the summer. You got some really cool events. Yeah. I'm excited for it. Yeah. Really. And I want to take this opportunity as well to thank Carl and all of the coaches that stepped up for. Mark Su. Yeah. Yeah. Mark Su. And all of the coaches.

[00:40:33] I think we were a total of 11 coaches that stepped up for and contributed to this foil for all event. Big shout out to Tara McCall as well for helping with all of the organization of it. And we're looking forward to next year as well. Yes. Give us a shout out on socials with weekend foil. We've got lots more events coming up as well. And we've got to keep growing foiling in Canada.

[00:41:01] And then we all got to watch North Star on the Sunday with two second place finishes in front of thousands of fans screaming. Like it was such exciting racing on Sunday. And, you know, that's why people were in Halifax for that. Yeah. The SailGP event. And North Star didn't disappoint. They sailed their hearts out.

[00:41:25] And, man, it was noisy in the stands as they crossed the line twice in second. Oh, cool. It was amazing. That would be fun to go see. Yeah. They've got events all over the world. Some pretty cool ones too. Yep. Yep. Well, fellas, thanks for joining us. Nice to see you both. Thank you, Luke. You're welcome. Enjoy the launch pad, Carl, on your beautiful island. That's going to be sick for the summer. Yeah. Lined up.

[00:41:53] Got lots of new gear, lots of new students, returning students. And the stoke is pretty good there. Thanks, guys. Nice. All right, fellas. We will chat with you soon. And, yeah, thanks for coming on for a chat. Thanks, Luke. All right, guys. Chat soon. All right. Bye, everybody. Hey, everyone. Thanks for tuning into this episode. We do hope that you enjoyed it. We'd love it if you could go subscribe to our Instagram, YouTube, TikTok channels to help our show grow. We are constantly putting out content for you.

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