Episode #142 - Kylie Belleouevre / GWA FreeFly-Slalom Champion

[00:00:00] Welcome to Foil Life. Whether you wing, kite, parowing, downwind, pump or e-foil, thanks for being here. Hey Kylie, nice to see you. Nice to see you too. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. It's been a while I think, eh? We had you on what, a couple years ago? Yeah, I would say in 2023 probably because it was after a Neoprides shooting, so... Cool. Lots of change since then. A big congratulations from all of us.

[00:00:28] How does it feel to be number one? It feels... Honestly, I don't know. I haven't figured it out yet. Because it's been pretty intense since then. I mean, I came back being the new world champion and a few days later I was leaving again for another world championships in Formula Wing racing.

[00:00:52] So, yeah, it was just, you know, like daily life actually of a competitor, obviously. But it feels good. I'm really, honestly, I'm really thrilled that I managed to get this title on lock. Because, I mean, it's something you work for.

[00:01:14] Like, I've been competing in worldwide events since 2015, I think. So, basically, ever since I've been dreaming of this and achieving it is really cool. But at the same time, it's really... It's a big thing and I haven't figured this out yet. I'm like, oh, it's a huge information. That's for sure.

[00:01:43] Because you were... You came second last year, second the year before. Yeah. And then you were third the year before. Talking GWA. But... Yeah. And then Nia was always just scraping it by. So, how does it feel, obviously, as a friend but a competitor to finally... I guess you're going to be feeling that coming up, like what you were saying, when you have time to process. Yeah, yeah. No, but clearly... Well, Nia is an amazing writer.

[00:02:08] Honestly, it's insane how good she can be, how confident she at least appears to be. It's been the worst opponent I could have, like, in every discipline that I met. I feel like she's the hardest one. She's Bowser, you know? Yeah. And no, well, it's... Honestly, it feels...

[00:02:38] It feels like the work has been rewarded. At the same time, the finals and everything went pretty... Like, I had to do... Like, my only option was to win this final day in Fuerteventura as I was second already the day before. So, I'm really glad I could make it. And at the same time, it feels like being the chaser and not the one who's chased was also the best position to have at this time.

[00:03:09] Because, like, if we take both our cases, I had nothing to lose. She had a lot to lose. So, I feel like that's what really helped me to win more freely. And also, I really feel like there was a big difference in my way of winning the day before and this day. Mm-hmm. Because also, the girl who was...

[00:03:35] Who could have been chasing the second, like, the Vice World Champion title got out in the semis. So, I knew my title... Like, at least the Vice World Champion was almost on luck. I had to make sure of things, but it was easier to get it secured. So, I only had one thing to do, which was go full in and win.

[00:04:03] So, yeah, I'm really glad I made it, actually. It's... I know that sometimes I'm not the one who's expected on this kind of mental game. And actually, it's been two events back-to-back that I'm actually the one not to fail mentally, actually. How much work have you put in in that department? Is this something that you focused on? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, honestly, yes. Because I'm really... I'm a really, really sensitive person.

[00:04:33] Like, my emotions are really taking a lot of place in my life in general and in my competitor life as well. Since I was a kid, honestly, I've... I picture myself in some French championships where in this kind of finals, I would lose completely my way of windsurfing and everything. So, yeah, it's been a lot, a lot of work.

[00:05:03] I have two... I don't know how to just say it in English, but I would say mental preppers or something like that. Like, it's not... Mentors? It can be a sports psych.

[00:05:27] My friend, actually, that we met in Maui, she does that for athletes and she gave us some coaching as well when we were just getting into the sport to overcome fear. Yeah. It was like how to overcome fear and how to get yourself in the right environment and that kind of... Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, I used to have only one. Now I have two. Imagine how complicated it was in here. No kidding. But no, it's been...

[00:05:55] Because also having everything with school and everything, it was just overwhelming. Like, I was struggling to put things aside when I was competing. And I feel like now I have enough routines to just be able to get into this right mood at the right time. That makes sense. However, it's... Yeah, but it's still something which is very, very difficult.

[00:06:23] And I feel like that's the biggest part of the thing. And I think I also noticed some differences with, for example, the kids. Like, Nia was a kid when she arrived here. And she grew confidence over the years being the kid that was beating everyone else, you know? And I feel like I haven't really built that in this way.

[00:06:51] I really had to put a lot of effort in it. And I'm pretty sure she does as well, obviously. But I still feel like I really had to challenge myself to also accept that I had a lot of weaknesses on this side. And that I had to work on it as much as I do on winging, almost. Yeah, no, I hear you. Well, it's half the battle.

[00:07:20] And that's why any professional athlete, your race will go so much better if you're in the groove or if you're playing a sport and you get into Zen mode kind of thing. Yeah, clearly. Well, it's good that you're actually working on to become a more complete athlete because that's cool. So I think that helped. Obviously, you're attributing some of that to your big win. No, yeah, clearly. I owe these two people a lot.

[00:07:47] And no, yeah, it was like, I know they were really happy when I sent them a message because they were like, we're coming from far. Right. Yes, I think you're, yeah. And it's not just for yourself. It's even coaching clients, for example, helping them walk through the fear or any kind of anticipatory reflex when they're getting out there is huge.

[00:08:15] And how was it training with your dad and training with the other people that have been continuously pushing you on the water? How was that? And how did they feel to see this? Well, my dad was here actually in both Gran Canaria and Fuerte, which the story is actually pretty fun because he was not supposed to be here. And two days before the comp in Gran Canaria, I was like, I called him and I was like, are you available?

[00:08:41] Because really, I feel like it's going to be really rough and I'm going to need someone on land to caddy, you know, because Gran Canaria is insane. And I could not take the risk to not be able to change wings just because I was scared of going in and out and or scared or not scared, but just not manageable on my own. So he did actually come and I'm really, really grateful for him to have changed the whole schedule and thing.

[00:09:10] Like he had to work in the morning, come at the comp when we started. And yeah, it was good. It was a tough, yeah, no. And I feel like I rewarded the whole situation by winning this title. But yeah, so it was really insane as well to share this with him. I mean, he's been like my mom, obviously, as well, but he's the one who really put me into water sports.

[00:09:40] And they both brought me to some like small comps around my town and on their own because I had no one at my club doing the comps as well. So like it just made the loop end in a nice way, at least this one.

[00:10:00] And yeah, no, it was like knowing he was here, like crossing the line was already like the finish line where I understood was already pretty intense feeling. But knowing that he would be here when they were starting to raise the French flag and everything, it's just mind blowing how much it's, how much emotions it brings up to like both him and I actually.

[00:10:27] And yeah, no, it was, I'm so, so glad he was here. And, and also everyone else who had trained with all year. We had a lot of trainings with the French national team these last two years. Well, before as well, but I really feel like there was a big difference for me these last two years because I was also able to quit schoolwork at this time and really commit into the, the training sessions.

[00:10:56] And, and also in the group life, I feel like I've been so much more invested and it's just all this atmosphere. Like when I go to comps, I'm not going to comps only for performance anymore. I'm coming more for the FOMO of missing time with them. And it just cools the thing down and put the, the goals a little bit lower.

[00:11:26] At least it fakes it. And, and yeah, it was, and it was amazing. And we actually relieved this situation with Vaina who just won the world championships for formula racing and where I got a third place. So everybody was kind of thrilled as well because I was ranked eighth before the finals and I managed to climb up the ranking.

[00:11:53] So it was, yeah, recently we had a lot of emotions together. Well, Hey, congratulations. Do they give you a shiny medal or a big, a big trophy or anything that you can put in your house? For which one? For the, for GWA? GWA? Yeah.

[00:12:12] We actually have one, but it's not the official because the, the official ones were stuck or are still, I believe, stuck in the customs. So, yeah, I have to admit, I'm kind of disappointed that my, like my official picture is with like a plexiglass GWA thing, which you don't really understand if you're first, second or third.

[00:12:37] By the size, even like you, it's harder to tell than with the, the one with the, the wings, wing sails that we used to have. And I hope I will receive it because it means a lot, it's time even more. And, um, yeah, we still had like the, especially the ceremony and Fuerte was really nice.

[00:13:01] Like it's a place where they're used to this kind of things, even when it's only for the world cups, they are really professional about the price giving. Um, we have champagne, we have, uh, I got to sing the Marseillais on the podium. So. Oh, no way. Yeah, no, it's really cool.

[00:13:22] Whereas in wing for racing, they didn't have even the Marseillais or it was really like a, it really looked like a small regatta of next time, you know? So I was like, oh, too bad. I'm happy. I won the GWA. All right. What, what are you thinking next? Are you thinking next Olympic campaign or?

[00:13:42] Uh, actually there, the topic comes up again, the, currently, because, um, there was both GWA test events and IWSA test events in Poland, in Dinia, I think, during the World Sailing World Championships.

[00:14:02] Um, so they studied both cases and I feel like the word sailing prefers the wing for racing, but the Olympic Games prefer, uh, GWA, which is more spectacular in my opinion.

[00:14:19] Especially, um, cause GWA can be run like so close to the beach and, and for live streaming, it's really, really different than for a wing for racing where you don't understand a thing if you are not a sailor. Honestly, my, my parents were watching, uh, this, the final day of wing for racing live and they did not understand what was going on.

[00:14:47] And the life, like it was apparently not really good. So I believe GWA has, has a real card to play on, on the spectacular, um, thing. Wouldn't that be exciting? And we are working on, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's much more exciting. Well, to me, it's much funnier. I, I'd rather go in GWA than wing for racing. I'm doing wing for racing cause it's helping me improve, but it's, I, I don't have a lot of fun there.

[00:15:16] But, um, I understand people do have some fun doing regattas and stuff. I used to do it my whole life. So it was fun at some point for me as well, but it's just that now I'm kind of over it and GWA is different and it's funnier in my opinion. Uh, I don't know. I enjoy the technical part of it and for sure it's less tactical and everything.

[00:15:42] It shows maybe less, um, how well of a sailor you are, how good, but still, I don't know. I'm, I'm having a lot of fun there and, and we are trying to push in, in spectacular, uh, races. So let's see how it turns out. But honestly, I, I'm, I feel like I will not be really the generation to be in at the Olympics if it becomes Olympic.

[00:16:09] So I'm just here to, I'm honestly, I'm just trying to survive in the sport and survive in the way I like, you know? So that's fair. That's fair. Well, we're hopeful. Yeah. We're hopeful that it gets accepted because that would be so cool to see everybody get in and actually take that, take that Olympic campaign. What's next for you in, in this? Are you going to, was there a parade in your hometown?

[00:16:37] How did you guys celebrate at home? Um, well, it was a small celebration because as I said, I was leaving pretty early, like right after, but my, my mom had organized a little, uh, family party when I came back from the airport. So we had a very nice dinner with everyone at home and I feel like she really targeted, uh, what I was needing at that time.

[00:17:07] Cause I had been away for quite a while. I went to Fuerte on the 6th of July and came back on the 2nd or 3rd of August. So I was really craving home, you know? Like, so it was really nice that it was a homemade meal, um, with everything I liked and with, uh, people I liked the most, like my cousin, my aunt and uncle. And, and yeah, no, it was really, it was really amazing and it was chill.

[00:17:35] And I feel like it was what, what's more like me, you know? So now I, I will try to see my friends around, but it's, it's really hard cause you know, I'm getting older and older. Some people are starting to work and I am not a writer, you know? Like, I'm still a student. So my life is kind of different than my friends.

[00:18:00] So it's tricky to get to see them for the ones that are not pro wing followers, obviously. But, uh, yeah, I'll try to celebrate it a little bit more now, but we still have a training camp soon. So I'm kept busy at least. Fair enough. What, uh, equipment did you use for the race and how did you see that evolution for the last couple of years? Do you think equipment had to play in your, in your victory? Uh, yeah.

[00:18:29] Uh, for, well, for GWA, what I really appreciate is that the, like the pro version of, uh, everyone, like everybody's wing, like every brand, they usually have a, an app, like an average, uh, crossover or a wing that could be used by my dad, basically.

[00:18:53] Um, and they usually propose, um, a pro version, which is with a slightly better materials. And I really liked GWA because it's usually these wings that are competitive and completely enough. And everyone is using this type of wing and not double skin or ram air wings.

[00:19:18] So, uh, I, I used my Firefly Pro from NeilPride, which is, um, it's like the Firefly is the, it's supposed to be for freestyle and everything. I should be using a Fly Pro if I would really be racer style, but the Fly Pro for my body weight, it's a little bit too powerful.

[00:19:42] So that's why I'm sticking to the Firefly Pro, which is more, less span and more compact. So just to explain, if you know a little bit the Neil Pride range, but, um, yeah, for me it was just perfect because this wing has a lot of power thanks to the pro material. However, it's still, yeah, exactly. It's still, it has still less span than the Fly Pro.

[00:20:10] So for my body size, it's much easier. And that's why, but I know Ricky, uh, is using the Fly Pro, which is more adapted to his, um, like, uh, power and, and use. And obviously, what was it, pink or purple that you liked? Can't remember. Uh, my, my favorite color is pink, but, uh, I really like the purple, especially now they have purple with pink.

[00:20:40] I like it. I also like the white ones. They look, I don't know, they, they won actually. So now I really, I really like them. Um, I have my, my 4.0, uh, it's going to be safe. I won with this one and I feel like this one will stay in my garage for a while untouched like that. Yeah, that's fair. That's a good idea. What, uh, what foils and what, what boards were you using?

[00:21:08] So for my board, I have, um, an JP R winger 65, um, which is a prototype to have the total. Now I will be using a, uh, uh, RS, um, soon, uh, that I will also get a, as a prototype to have the total box. Um, and for the foil, I actually changed from Levitas to Chubanga this year.

[00:21:34] Uh, I've always been using Levitas and I've been using Levitas until the DeFi basically. And I changed because it had been already quite a while that I was wondering if I should not be changing. And after the DeFi, I saw that I was really struggling to keep a good average speed because the Levitas is really, honestly, an amazing foil. But it's also very technical.

[00:22:04] When I saw the, um, the list of events that we were supposed to get in GWA, which were Grand Canaria, Fuerte and Brazil, eventually. Um, I saw Grand Canaria super wavy and Brazil super full of seaweeds. And I told myself, okay, this time I know that it might be better to have a less technical foil that I know is really stable.

[00:22:33] And so that's how I decided to switch to go on the Chubanga. Um, which was here a good decision. Um, again, I really love the Levitas foils, but it was just at this time I also needed to be, um, equal with Nia. Because she has always been using a Chubanga and I had always been competing against her with the Levitas.

[00:23:02] So, um, I was like, if I want to, if I want to win against her, I maybe have to have the same weapon to be sure that it's not coming from here. Fair enough. And it's, it deemed that that was a good decision. Uh, what sizes were you using? Because I think we're, let me see if I can pull this up right now on their website. Uh, let me see. Um, so. Is it this one that you're using? The Wingful Pure Racing? Yes, I'm using the 5, 530.

[00:23:33] The 420 is actually new, I think. Uh, so I never seen it. I don't really know how it works. And for the mast, I have, I have the 114, which is really long. Oh, that is long. I might switch to the V5 Wing, which is 109. All right.

[00:23:56] Um, because for like, I will keep for sure the 114 for Pure Racing, for Slalom. It's interesting to have a slightly shorter mast because they, also the balance, uh, is a little bit different. So it might help for the maneuvers because right now at the moment, like the 114, it has a lot of weights on top of the mast, like close to the board. Okay.

[00:24:24] So when you jibe, it's harder to make like tight curves. So I feel like that's something that I should be working on. I've been working on a lot already. But as I changed foil in the middle of the year and et cetera, I lost a little bit of time on this. And I feel like maybe the 109 is going to be the solution for, um, GWA Slalom at least.

[00:24:53] There's a lot that goes into gear choice, isn't there? Yeah. Uh, for we, honestly, for GWA, it's really fine. Okay. Because in the end, you have a normal wing. Uh, like if you, if you look at anyone, like, uh, all the girls or even all the guys, especially in high winds we had, it's, it's really normal single skin wing from, uh, the brand your sponsor and basically. Okay.

[00:25:20] And, and for the foil, well, we have, the foils are like, as long as you use a raised foil, it's working pretty good. It's, it's more about like another foil could be working very good. Uh, but it's just that for me at the moment, near pride does not produce a raised foil.

[00:25:44] So it's, for me, it's just that I'll be using like one of these raised foils that are available, uh, quite quickly and, and that you are sure they're really performing as well. And then it's just a matter of learning how to free fly them because that's the hardest part. Yeah. Imagine just staying on pump. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. That makes sense. Okay.

[00:26:11] How are you tracking your speed and, um, overall are you using any specific application for that? Yeah. I'm using water speed a lot. Yeah. Um, it's been already two, three years that I'm using it. And it's, it's really helpful because you can see the speed on the maneuvers and you can also see the, the speed on like, uh, segments.

[00:26:37] So like, uh, a hundred meter or, uh, 300 meters and, uh, or five seconds, this kind of things. And for example, when you prepare for something such as GWA, basically the, what's important is that you accelerate really fast. Whereas if you prepare for the DEFI, what's important is your average, uh, average, um, speed or your speed over a kilometer or something.

[00:27:04] Um, so it's, it can help me to train both things on the same app. Uh, and also you can track the gear that you use. So it's pretty useful when you change foils like I did. Um, for example, for me, it was really, it was really crucial to actually just see that I was faster on the Chubank, that I was at least managing to push harder on it. Mm-hmm. And that made me go much faster.

[00:27:34] Um, not, well, actually one not faster than on the Levitas, but, um, also more frequently. Like ever since I changed, I was able to reproduce the, these high speed almost every sessions when I was in Fuerte.

[00:27:54] So it was easy to tell, uh, from the app and, and yeah, no, it was, it was good to see that I, I could also be faster on every session. Cause the, the Levitas is really, really amazing, but it's just so technical that you have to adjust. And honestly, at my technical level, it feels like it was not enough.

[00:28:23] Fair enough. What kind of speeds are you hitting? Uh, lastly, I hit 31.6, I think. So it was good. Actually, I'm happy that I, it, it had been a long time since I went over 30s. Um, I struggled when I came back to the, well, when I came to the Chumang, I managed again pretty fast, like after only four days of training on it. So it was, it spoke for itself, you know.

[00:28:54] 58.523 kilometers an hour. That's impressive. You almost hit 60. That's, that's 30 knots now, right? Yeah. 30 knots, 30, 31.6 knots is 58.5232 kilometers per hour. Yeah. Yeah. When I saw 58, 58.2, I think I was like, wow, I'm a car now. Yeah.

[00:29:19] No, but actually when I, and then, and then I'm like thinking about the guy's speed and I'm like, what the hell? How, how, how, how can you accept being so fast on the water? Cause when you do this speed runs, you're kind of like, I feel like I'm going to die by the end of the thing. Like now I'm trying to control it. But like, first time you try to send it, you really have the feeling you're going to die.

[00:29:47] Next, like next thing you know, you're in paradise. It's over. So yeah. Shit. Yeah. It's that intense, eh? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I'm really stressed. Yeah. But you have to like, there are spots which are more for it than others. And then you start to learn. And also getting used to it.

[00:30:08] Cause when it's been a long time that you're, uh, like racing on in eight knots and that you land in fuerte, it's like even being 25 knots is really starting to feel weird. So it's also a matter of getting used to the speed. Yeah. I can imagine. How, um, how are the wipeouts at a speed like that? Um, once I had a, like.

[00:30:38] Maybe two, two years ago, I had a very bad wipeout like that where I, I was doing a speed run and foil went out and I went like catapult and broke the wing and everything. And like, I just, I don't know what happened, but I broke the wing in the window. Um, then it, I had a really bad crash in Gran Canaria trying to reach some speed as well. Cause Gran Canaria was pretty gnarly.

[00:31:07] Like the, the swell was pretty big. And this day I feel like I was still on three, five. So it was fine. As I raced in two, five there during the competition, it was still okay to be on the three, five. Um, imagine big guys like, uh, Capuzzo and everything being on a three meter for racing. Holy shit. Insane. No, isn't it? I was so like, when I saw them going on the three meter, I was like, okay, I'm screwed. I'm dead.

[00:31:37] And yeah, it was intense, but I had a really bad crash there where I was going starboard. So overtake, like more or less overtaking the swell. And I don't know what happened actually. Just the foil, like left the chat. And I, next thing I knew I was doing ricochet, rico, ricochet on the water. Oh, you're bouncing. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Holy shit. Wow. Okay.

[00:32:03] And when we have the camel bags, it's pretty, like the, the crashes are way worse. Cause like it go, like the, it drags a lot. And then for the, like your back is getting hurt way more. So it was rough, but I went back and went full sun again. And you persevered. Yeah. Had to, it was two days before the comp, so it was not the time to let it go. No, that's fair enough.

[00:32:31] Do you have any like pre-game music or any kind of routines that you do pre-competition like that? Music, not so much. When I'm racing, like, I don't know why, when I'm GWA, no. When I'm wing for racing, why not? Cause I feel like I'm, cause I'm, I come more as an outsider. So I'm like, I'm going to try things. I don't, I don't care. So. A bit more chill. I can just, yeah.

[00:32:57] I can just find new things that work or, um, yeah. I'm more experience style trying new things and GWA, I'm really putting the routine, the routine in like, like respecting the plan. Um, so I, I usually warm up with an elastic for shoulder and, and basically all the back.

[00:33:25] Uh, and yeah, like now I have my routine, which is basic plan. You know, you arrive this time before the skippers meeting, uh, before the skippers meeting, I would like this to be ready, this to be ready, this to be here, my backpack to be like that. That it's just making sure that I'm all set, but I don't have like a, a specific like brain,

[00:33:53] like I'm not putting up a specific music and visualizing on it. Or I'm just visualizing a lot when I get to know the course and trying to, well, remember it first and then seeing a little bit how it, how it could feel, how it could be, what, what are the risks here. Um, what needs to be checked before I race.

[00:34:20] So when I go to the warmup, what, what's, what zone I need to take a big care of, or, uh, uh, like for example, if the, um, sometimes the marks, the, the, the anchors are not really vertical. So you need to really pay attention to this kind of things and everything. So I, I try to identify the risks that could exist according to what part of the course you're in. And then I just go check.

[00:34:49] Nice. And you watched Brad Pitt's F1 movie, I'm assuming before. Get yourself in a full race movie. What movie? The F1 movie by Brad Pitt. Have you seen that one? No, I didn't even. I'm not really a movie person. That's fair. Yeah, but I, that's fair. Cause I'm, I don't know, my, my focus is lost pretty easily. Yeah. Oh, fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. Well, hey, congratulations.

[00:35:16] And what are you going to say to the other competitors for next year? Uh, be ready. Ready. It's fun. Cause you can see on my face that it's not really what I'm thinking. I know, I know, I know. No. Well, uh, first I'm going to tell myself to get myself ready.

[00:35:41] Cause it's not, cause it has been done once that it's going to be done twice, at least easily. So no, honestly, I will just, uh, be the same as I'm just me and I will do the same. And, and I hope we get some good battles next year as well. Um, I hope my training goes the way it's planned and that I will not have any issues like I could have this year a little bit. Yeah.

[00:36:10] And, and yeah, I just hope it will go in the right direction and that I have fun. That's the most important part. That's fair. How's school going? School is getting good. Actually, it's easier than last time we had a chat on, on the podcast. Um, cause, um, now I'm really into the engineering part, which is a little bit like I have the

[00:36:37] first year of real engineering before is prepa, like, uh, get ready for engineering. Um, the first year of engineering was pretty rough. Um, now it's started the, like the schedule is a little bit lighter so I can make like, I can make decisions that are more training, uh, oriented.

[00:37:04] Um, I'm, I have less stress at least, uh, on this side right now. So it's cool. Like, I feel like I was, I was really less overwhelmed by school recently and that, as we said already, I was more committed to, uh, the group life, to the training camps, to, um, my training here at home. Um, yeah, it's getting easier and easier.

[00:37:33] And, and actually next year I'm like, I'm currently specialized already in mechanical engineering. Mm-hmm. And now I will be specializing a little bit more into fluid dynamics. So maybe I'll be the next, uh, wing or foil designer. That's fine. You never know. Well, you're already bringing. I'm ready for internships. Yeah. All right.

[00:38:03] We're putting it out there. Anybody. Well, yeah, you're already bringing the athlete side of things and, um, that's huge for, for knowing what you need and what you want. Um, so yeah, that, that'd be exciting. I hope that goes well. Hope you enjoy. You're going to have a little bit of downtime before you start training again, or you're jumping right into it. Uh, this week should be a little bit lighter.

[00:38:26] Uh, well, more or less cause I have to go see people around for sponsors and everything. So it's going to be lighter and training at least. Then we have a training camp in Brittany. So I hope I will be eating a lot of crêpes at least. Hey. And that's, that's why, that's my goal there. I choose really specific topics to be focused on and then training is like a part of it.

[00:38:55] But my main goal is to have fun. So, so I'm sure I'm doing my best in that. Uh, and then now I think I will have two weeks of, uh, of, well, more or less, I think physical training will come back pretty intense at this time, but beginning of September should be right before going back to school. That's how we like it. Yeah. Jammed. Right. That's the way it goes.

[00:39:24] It's pretty much, pretty much. Well, Hey buddy, thanks for coming on. It was great to catch up with you and congratulations. Make sure when you go to check out sponsors, wear your big GWA gold ring. Yeah. Let it, let it, let it, let it bling. Let it shine. Yeah. Let it shine. Yeah, exactly. Then they won't be able to say no. Nice. Thank you so much. You're welcome. And, uh, we'll catch up with you soon. And yeah, anyways, good luck. Congratulations. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks a lot.

[00:39:54] See you next time. All right. Bye everybody.