Episode #5 - Alicia LaRue

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Wing Life Podcast, where we talk about wing-foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. Alicia, thank you for joining us, and we have wilds since we had chatted, but how were you tonight?

[00:00:23] I'm great, yeah, I can't complain, live in the island life, I love it. Let's introduce our listeners to your Kite School. Yeah, China Creek. So I guess I'll go back into where it's located. It's located just south of Port Albarni, which is basically the center of Vancouver Island.

[00:00:42] It's part of the Alberta inlet, which basically, it's just a really long, a flaurd fjord inlet, where we get the thermals that come in all summer long. Typically the thermals that come in about 11-12-ish, and they go in till all afternoon, till the evening.

[00:01:06] And very consistent, definitely, it's a lie in August. It's like, every day we're going, it's just it's heaven. And as far as the scenery goes, it's very idealistic, as Enture Luke can test because he's been there before. But yeah, it's a great spot. Yep.

[00:01:24] How much Wendy you expect to have, but what those thermals? How much Wendy we expect? I mean, definitely as far as looking at my books, July and August, typically we get anywhere from 20, 25 knots.

[00:01:40] I mean almost every day, really during those months, June and then May, it's been hit or miss. Depends on the season. This season, it was definitely a miss. We got a lot of rain. And then in September, that too can be hit or miss.

[00:01:57] But yeah, definitely July and August are if you're going to make the trip to come to China Creek, those are the months to go for sure July. Now, the foiling there is unbelievable. Like you can climb up all the way up.

[00:02:09] And then just the vistas of views that you see, and then just play on these little rollers all the way back down. Like I found it's been a pretty special spot. How long have you been in Paul been running the school there?

[00:02:21] We're going on six years now running the school. So it's flown by, I can't believe that yeah. But it's been six years. But yeah, no, we just kind of, I mean as far as the story of how the school started, we just kind of landed there really.

[00:02:38] When I first started, K-boarding and I got the K-Win bug, I spent my summer as up at Nithat Lake. And then just coming to Port Albernate to go get supplies.

[00:02:49] I was looking out going, Jesus, it gets really windy here even in Port Albernate in the town of Port Albernate. Then I ended up buying a house in Port Albernate. We would do our work and then go down and and K-board afternoons when the wind would come

[00:03:04] in after that. And up so in the house lived on the bus for a bit, went down to Baja, came back and ended up being at China Creek where our friend of ours had run the previous K-School girl in a

[00:03:16] yard and we were just there possibly maybe helping her out, we'll just see the thing that brought that I personally really enjoyed about China Creek was you know, you could be right on the water.

[00:03:29] If you when you get out of the water you can go take a shower, you can go and drive in the town if you need to to go get groceries. So anyways, Nicole ended up not doing her school and I had known the Port Authority who

[00:03:43] run China Creek Marine. They ended up asking me if I wanted to start a school which I was like, hey you know, why not right? And so Paul and I we started the school and it's been six years and we've definitely

[00:03:55] had our trials through you know figuring it all out because we really just were you know as a shoot from the hip of sorts. So it's like, hey let's do a school because we both really love the wind community, the wind sports, kiteboarding all of it.

[00:04:10] So just to bring those two worlds together how the kite school started the long wind answer. That you've built a very so if for anybody who hasn't been there, Paul and Alicia have done an amazing job of building a beautiful community there like they have different

[00:04:27] events that are going on at their at their clubhouse. They got a lot of gear there as well that you can look at purchase also you were doing shirts and in some stuff as well right? Yeah yeah.

[00:04:39] But before like when I was living in Port Albarni, we had a company drive design and a pair of all. So we were doing a pair of all for like wind fast and for like ocean rodeo for some of the companies.

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[00:06:07] spots available we know it's going to book up fast so we recommend that you act quickly I'll see you there. Through the design work we outsource the printing now because we just don't do that but

[00:06:18] yeah like definitely we have a pair all that yeah that we've got there and you're right about having just kind of fun community vibe like I really cried on bringing people together at the end.

[00:06:32] After we're all done spending the day playing on the water it's like let's go hang out when writer and play some beer pong or you know I've read a weird events that I just like to organize and bring people together because that's what it's about you know

[00:06:48] I feel like for me it's about not just obviously being out in the water and enjoying you know the environment and join the wind and just the space but it's also the community

[00:06:58] that you built because you get to enjoy and meet because like some of the best friends I've met in my adult life have been through the the wind community and I just cherish it and it's just yeah it's just it's icing on the cake so.

[00:07:14] So if you end up camping at trying to create you can expect a knock on your trailer or tent coming in the afternoon to let you know what event is going on that night which is pretty fun actually that's pretty cool.

[00:07:26] It doesn't happen very many wind locations so that that is awesome. I'm curious actually I'm personally curious how did Citing find you? Well for me like I used to go down to while I still do go to Bahá'á quite often but my

[00:07:44] Where in Bahá'á do you go? I don't care. Loast burglies so it's kind of itself of lavender. Okay yeah yeah and I've been going there since I was 13 right and so if funny enough I was brought

[00:07:56] to that community not because of the wind sports because I know that Loast burglies was really big for wind surfing back in the day but it was more my uncle who was a surfer from California

[00:08:07] and buying some land down there and then my folks just slowly started investing in there and we would just go down and I can remember really clearly when I saw it was it was right when Citing

[00:08:20] first started and there was a guy he was just boosting so big and the air and I was like oh my goodness what is this like I have to do this because I've got a background in freestyle skiing so like

[00:08:33] you know I've done the aerials where you do crazy flips and like jump really high and I've always just gravitated towards that and I was like yes this is what I'm learning and I did even though

[00:08:44] it took me a couple of years you know life goes you know you the time I was going to school and then you get married and you have a kid and then but you know eventually I did it focusing on Citing

[00:08:55] and then once I did it was just it was a it was a total addiction like it was like that's all I want to do I just want to kite I'm quitting my job my high-end sales gallery art job and then

[00:09:09] just in a living at NetNet for the summers and then take you have to bow on the winner and just mean kind of a bit of a kite bomb so. Nothing wrong with that? No right it's all about balance but

[00:09:21] maybe that's a good segue to talk about your art because because when did you start into that world and how did those worlds kind of meet together? Well I would say the art world started right

[00:09:31] when I like left the womb of my mom no sugar. I've always just been an artist like going through school it was just I just knew that that's what I wanted to do with my life and that's you know

[00:09:43] I ended up going to a British College of Art Design got my BFA in in fine arts and I did find however when I did graduate with my fine arts degree was I think I had a little bit of an

[00:09:57] illusion with my art career that it was just gonna be like oh my gosh I'm also being as artists making all this money and slowly it dawned on me that I got my bachelor or fuck all.

[00:10:10] So basically yeah yeah well basically I had to end up becoming a bit of an entrepreneur if I wanted to keep doing my artwork so ultimately I had to diversify what my business was

[00:10:26] and so then I ended up doing a lot more design work I found getting some good clients doing more crowd like I was a design crowd or freelancer and actually finding my work online

[00:10:39] and that was really enjoyable I did that for quite a bit of a year so it was definitely cut throat because it was you know you had to compete for the jobs but ultimately it made me a

[00:10:49] better designer and then with learning how to kiteboard and then just really getting intense on that community started you know doing some work with ocean rodeo doing some work with other kite schools to it nith nith like elevation and strong and even the bateman

[00:11:04] foundation all these different job opportunities then upcoming up with doing the design work and yeah but now I'm kind of a little bit more back to doing the fine arts so kind of

[00:11:16] end up going full circle really because I think I've got a bit of artist ADD but that's where this lifestyle kind of suits me well because I work in the summer time with the kite school

[00:11:26] and then in the winter time I can focus a little bit more on the creativity like more of more of the passions really too that I want to do is a creative person that we have to focus on

[00:11:38] our awesome get a little stir so that's kind of I'm happy that you're able to fit that in that's awesome yeah well it's you know it's part of my life it's part of my soul and I have to keep doing it

[00:11:50] or else I don't I don't know but I think passions being passionate and living a passionate life is really important and so I think when you find that spark that you're like you know in like with the

[00:12:03] wind community that spark could be out in the water and the you know you're out there in the elements you're not having to use any gas or anything and you're you're just being part of your

[00:12:12] environment I think really sparks that passion and I like to for myself and my life mixed those so having the kite schools awesome and then also having the freelance sort of life of doing the artists

[00:12:23] like the artist way when on the offseason I think just really it's more of it's not just it's like it's a philosophy on living life you know yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely and I think

[00:12:39] you can as well loop you're leading a pretty a typical lifestyle as well and I think it's it's great I think a lot more people are doing it especially post COVID with all the online work

[00:12:50] whatnot people are realizing that maybe a nine to five desk job isn't necessarily what they want to do with their lives so I think it's great and it sounds like you got yourself a really cool

[00:13:00] set up going there so what do you think of winging and all of this how does that fit into all of this? As far as winging I mean I want to do more of it I just as far as having the champs to do it

[00:13:15] with the kite schools been a bit of a bit of the challenge I see a huge potential for winging on part because of not having the lines like the kite lines and then also being able

[00:13:26] to wing really in so many different places I think is a real asset I personally would love to actually get on a wing with skis to begin with and play with that so right now I've been going to

[00:13:41] long beach and actually bringing out our board that we have for what do you call it like the dirt board or whatever like the landlord and playing with the wing that way yeah I know I see a huge

[00:13:54] potential I see a huge amount of growth because I think sometimes when people they look at kiteboarding and as much as like there are definitely similarities but there's definitely differences kiteboarding can be a little bit more of an intimidating factor I think I think we need people

[00:14:09] to from the get go are kind of like oh okay I think I came right my head around this and yeah absolutely it is a lot safer I would say during the learning process from what I've seen I mean obviously

[00:14:22] they're still a certain safety concerns with learning how to wing however I'm a little bit more confident with you know with the kite school especially if someone you know they want an

[00:14:35] upwind drop off with a wing which is what we do quite often in the summer times we bring them upwind and then drop them off and then they can wing down and they can learn how to do it that way I

[00:14:45] feel a lot more confident kind of if I don't know the person just dropping them off because I know that they're gonna come down to the beach and they will be fine but when it comes to dropping

[00:14:55] someone off with a kite and I really have to rig them like drill them as to like how's your watching letting? how's your board or people? how's this? how's that? how's that so um yeah I don't know

[00:15:06] if that really answers your question per se but yeah I think it's it's really cool and I think as far the winging with even wave riding that also is something that I'm definitely interested in

[00:15:16] getting into with riding good swell and good waves with the wing and the foil yeah so totally yeah I think as you're saying it's a very it's a lot more accessible than kite

[00:15:28] boarding in a number of ways and once people get kind of around you know their minds around the knives under your board they're not gonna try to kill you it's just you know a big foil

[00:15:39] that's usually got fairly round edges and it's not that dangerous and everything's happening so slowly compared to kite surfing or one surfing so it's really very friendly when it takes a lot less physical strength than either one of the sports which is also great for smaller riders or

[00:15:57] people that have a medical condition or just people that are not as strong so yeah definitely really cool and it sounds like you have a great box for it as well if you're getting 20 to 25

[00:16:08] lots almost every day at that and then probably relatively flat water that sounds like an amazing place to learn progress I think so I mean definitely is um yeah as far as even teaching kite boarding

[00:16:19] it's basically like China Creek it's like a it's a bay of sorts so much depends on the tide but ultimately with doing upwind drop-offs with people that are learning it's a great space to

[00:16:31] learn because for one it's not overly crowded and to when you're coming in you're basically coming in right to the beach so that's nice for someone learning so that they know that like

[00:16:41] okay they're coming into the beach if they end up coming there's a bit of a spit where they can end up going down and over and then we have to rescue them but it's pretty obvious like I definitely

[00:16:51] let them know as to what to watch out for and so as far as someone learning to kite or to wing or even to win surf it's just a really nice spot to have that time and tall so to know that

[00:17:03] you're in a safe space where you are watching which at the kite school I do if I'm not on the beach with binoculars someone else is and we're really watching out for everybody just to make sure

[00:17:14] that everybody is in a safe space because that's something that we pride on in the area that we're in is just to make sure that everybody feels like you know if your kite's doing crazy things

[00:17:24] or you're wing or is like I mean actually there's been a client where he his leash got off of his wing and I could see his wing cruising down the inlet and went out with their jet ski just grabbed

[00:17:35] his wing and made sure he was okay and you know things like that happened but that's what we as as a as a school we watch out for in the area so yeah it is a really good place to learn

[00:17:47] definitely and with the kite school you know when you show up it's trying to create by all means come by and just walk in and just say hi and we can give you the lay the land and as far as

[00:17:56] up when drop off they're $50 we drop you off way up when gives you plenty of time to just get used to the spot you see your equipment and and time on the water. Awesome that sounds great yeah

[00:18:12] I have some not so fun memories of wings flying off and swimming after them without jet ski help it's definitely quite challenging so that's a good imagine. That's a good thing to have. So are

[00:18:25] you guys renting out wing gear at all or you wanted to that yet? No we are yeah yeah we rented out to wing gear last season and yeah no it went really good. Amazing and what what companies are

[00:18:40] you working on just that accuracy? Right now we're working with Ocean Rodeo with our wing and then as far as our foil we've been working with stinger foils so like as far as us being on the

[00:18:51] island it's been really important for myself to do like to go as locals we can so obviously Ocean Rodeo you know it's an island based company and they've been great to deal with and then as far as

[00:19:04] as far as they're pretty proud of you. Yeah they do yeah and then as far as our foil stinger foils he's located in Whistler and stinger Steve he's been great to deal with as well

[00:19:16] and yeah so that's what we've got for now as far as wings. That's really cool so it sounds like a really good setup for somebody who wants to get a lot of time on the water and doesn't necessarily

[00:19:29] have gear yet when you're offering lessons as well. We were a couple years ago we still like I want to get back into doing that a little bit more so Luke we can talk about it later.

[00:19:42] Of course. Yeah yeah no definitely I mean obviously we you know it really helps people out I think to begin with to even just the ground lesson for them to learn how how to use their

[00:19:57] equipment and how to obviously you know that how the wing works in the wind too as well and to really harness that power. I think yeah I definitely see value in that in teaching but also yeah

[00:20:12] yeah yeah again just time on the water like anything you get to certain certain place where you're like okay just needs to get out there right and play around so. Totally yeah I've had a lot of good

[00:20:26] good feedback on land land lessons as well I think even if it's just half an hour or an hour just you know have the wing in your hands kind of walk around with it on the beach get a feel for it and

[00:20:37] in both directions. This is often I find that somebody will you know grab the wing and it'll show pretty natural for them on one side and they're on the cool this is super easy.

[00:20:46] And then you tell them to flip around and they're just totally confused and this is even coming out of you know when surfing or kite surfing there's just something about the movement of the

[00:20:56] wing being so direct that people don't always get it right away. So having that little bit of time on the beach is really helpful and then having somebody help you set up your gear if you're

[00:21:07] you know just getting into it and you're not sure where to put your foil or what you know what piece to attach where and all that kind of stuff it's it can get a little bit complicated at times

[00:21:18] so having an knowledgeable person there even on the land lesson context I think has a lot of value for sure. I guess we can maybe talk a little bit of accommodations like we haven't mentioned too

[00:21:28] much about it but you guys also rent cabanas right? Yeah yeah so basically like we're located on China Creek Marina so it is a campground there are just basic campsites that you know you don't have

[00:21:43] any power or water or anything like that but there's also full hookups too so if you have a big RV you can have full hookups there is a cell reception so you can use your wifi there

[00:21:57] there's not an actual sorry there's not actual wifi but you can use your data so you can still have access to your phones and all that there's hot showers there there's running toilets

[00:22:09] it's 10 minutes away from portal bernie so if you need to get me groceries or anything like that easy ride or if you want to just go to pub it's just a drive away as far as us do the

[00:22:21] accommodations we do coho cabanas so you can find that online like coho like the salmon coho cabanas so they're just basically like they're really cute little cabans that we built just right by the

[00:22:33] water all that's in there is a queen size bed um really tastefully done um huge windows so you get the view of it in lit and then a little bar fridge and outside there's a patio with barbecue and

[00:22:49] little outdoor kitchen and those run roughly 125 150 a night so they're reasonably price you do an app having to use the same showers and toilets as the campground however china creek marina has done

[00:23:04] it and the staff has done a really great job at keeping things nice and clean and nice hot showers but yeah no it's a great little spot and we've been running that for now three years um and as far

[00:23:16] as like the repeat clients like I barely have to even market because I just get people they come in and they book for the next season and the season after that because it is like really nice and

[00:23:28] relaxing being so close to the water and the cabans there very cool and how many in the cabans you can be how many people is there one better there's just one bed so it's just one bed one

[00:23:40] quick size bed however I have had families that have rented the cabanas and they basically like the parents they get the nice bed and the kids they just pitch a tent outside so the kids get

[00:23:52] the happy and experience and adults get the glad be and experience we eat so it's and then how do you make your way out there say you're coming by plane or would you have to take a ferry and then

[00:24:04] then drive or how to start with so basically to get there if you're driving you would go through Vancouver obviously and take the ferry across to an animal and then from the nimonol it's an

[00:24:19] hour drive north kind of northwest of of an animal and so that's how you would get there with car and then I suppose with plane same thing you would fly into nimonol and then

[00:24:33] you probably have to rent some kind of vehicle to get out to try and creek as far as shuttles I don't know I don't think that there is one to try and a creek yep but yeah that's how you get there

[00:24:48] 10 minutes down a logging road and the logging road is fairly well maintained compared yeah other ones which is super nice and no and they're actually they're they're paving like they're

[00:24:59] doing a partial pave on it right now yeah so that gets there putting some chips on it or something like that but you're right like it is very well maintained on part because there's so many logging

[00:25:11] kind of like there's industry really close by of sorts um there and so as you know going to in that lake it's a again a beautiful spot to kite for sure but like the logging road is kind

[00:25:24] of horrible on the vehicle luckily at China Creek really like the 10 minutes of the logging road is not that bad at all and I like it for a while we lived at China Creek year round and even

[00:25:36] in the winter time I would drive it to drive my daughter to school twice a day and no problems yeah I think for the entire time Alicia has known me my vehicle has a probably been

[00:25:48] in the shop when when I worked with them as well as I go all this broken that broke just from all the logging roads here on the island that was a big a big eye opener for me and how

[00:25:59] well bus some cars are and how not robust some cars but you're a car bro busted when you were like traveling across Saskatchewan for something right okay don't buy a super anybody is listening just

[00:26:12] don't buy a forester get a little ban and you'll be fine but yeah I'm putting a vote in for an old run I got one and then that I'll drive on a bad hot twice with it and I did not treat it well

[00:26:23] and that thing was a champion yeah I'm impressed I've got a highlander like an old Toyota highlander and it's been amazing they really has been really good so yeah shout out to Toyota people gonna tell you a sponsor right let's do it.

[00:26:43] I don't right this is not my highlander baby likes super rust it's been like wow it's keeps going right here by the 1995 Toyota Highlander event.

[00:26:59] That's oh we should be the open up to floor we got you so we got great we got Ron here as well with us do you guys have any questions for Alicia anything you'd like to ask that sounds like a really

[00:27:10] interesting spot maybe I'll get there sometime hey thanks for joining this Ron are you're in my amy right now? No move from there though I'm in LA I haven't beach okay and yeah it was a foil

[00:27:26] the Lake Puro yesterday and Mike I hope to Paris as far tomorrow. Nice. Ron's a pilot and a wind-piercing buddy from near Sandbanks like Lake Perential Park there in Ontario and so he does get the opportunity everyone's in a while to travel some pretty cool destinations

[00:27:46] get out in the water so thanks for joining us Ron. A little more than everyone's in a while lately I keep seeing pictures of you all over the world and windy spots and having a good time yeah that's one

[00:28:00] thing that's really appealing with the foil is you know it can I pack everything I've got to intensely the bullboard so with that I could pack everything in you know kind of large size hockey bags

[00:28:15] it's a wee wee bag and set everything I need to go and it's perfect for my travel perspective and you put that right in the cockpit right beside your on. There's no luckily luckily this plane's got a big cargo hold so

[00:28:33] oh no. Even if you're not a pilot I've come sure lots of people have travel a little linger at this point but I just travel with the summer and if you haven't inflatable

[00:28:45] board it really is quite easy. It's a size of a big suitcase or a little more and I think a lot of companies take them just as a luggage just as a big oversized or not even oversized luggage

[00:28:57] and if not you just call it kite surfing gear and most companies that's free or not expensive and then you're good to go. You didn't win surfing then. Much easier. Oh yeah the days of traveling around with 200 kilos of of one surfing gear

[00:29:15] are definitely going to definitely dwindling. Oh great do you have a question? Yeah. Windrider at e-foils. Oh does windrider have e-foils. Oh windrider! I can see the potential for sure with the e-foils especially yeah again

[00:29:41] for the wind comes in but at the kite school I don't know if we'll have them in any time soon to be honest with you Greg my apologies with that it's just right now what we've been doing

[00:29:51] for people when they want to learn how to use the the foil board we've been towing them behind the jet skis which has been working pretty good for sure but again yeah that e-foil would be nice.

[00:30:06] Yeah I think it might be in a texture better way of learning. I've gotten to e-foil just the tiny bit not much but I have been pulled behind dingy's and jet skis and all kinds of stuff and I think

[00:30:17] that that's really a better way of learning because you can control as the teacher you can control the speed you just put the you know whatever craft at the right speed and then the person behind

[00:30:28] you just asked to come straight on you know not like this stabilizing the board so it really does work well as a teaching tool and it's also fun as you say before the wind comes into play around with

[00:30:41] I think that big advantage on that e-foil how guys is yours to your that big advantage on that e-foil is that you don't have anything to hold onto like I've e-foiled behind the boat and the

[00:30:50] rope gives you a lot of stability as something to lean against which you start to cheat with a little bit and that e-foil really teaches you about the weight and balance.

[00:31:00] Yeah that's a good point. We'll have to line up lessons for two years to fund the e-foil there you go you're going to have a waiting list and you got to be cash up front. Is there a contest for an

[00:31:10] e-foil I could write a an essay or something? Yeah. I do think they're you know they are getting more affordable or less outtrages a price is maybe a better description but yeah they're definitely pricing and they're very popular as

[00:31:29] well so I think it's going to be hard to come by any sort of free ones for our ones. And I was just a joke. Yeah I know I know. So if anybody wants to reach out to you what's the easiest

[00:31:42] way for them to do that? The easiest way to reach out to me would be to send me an email. The email address is win rider kiteboarding at Gmail. Just to reiterate those of you who

[00:31:54] just you know this next summer who come to China Creek to check it out I just want to again just re-enact like come in walk into the school and come in and just chat with us and just find out

[00:32:05] the way of the land and find out you know what events we have going on in the afternoon and and make sure to be part of the community of sorts and that's the best way I think to do that is to

[00:32:15] you know go into the school just hey I'm new here and you know it'll be a stranger because that's what it's about it's about the community with the with that area and that's something that I'm really passionate about. Sorry. Yeah so I'm using music nights, movie nights, yeah.

[00:32:34] One should different things and it pulls in all walk the life which is super cool. So you have some kids there and even some grandparents there and everything and everybody gets

[00:32:42] along really well and and we also had it was at last year of the year before we had a pretty much a pro photographer on site that would be taking pictures all the time and then would pop it up

[00:32:56] on the big screen at night and everybody could see themselves that throughout their whole day and it's also a great teaching tool to see your progression and to see your body positioning and

[00:33:05] to see all that which has been super fine. So the yellow scope kind of lands on there and it's been phenomenal some of the pictures that that that that he's taken so that's always that's also another

[00:33:15] perk of trying to create that I just thought of. Yeah. Very cool. Can you remind this when when's the season? So like if you're coming out and you want to make sure that you're going to

[00:33:26] score what what time of year and do we really want to head out there? Well, we're as far as the kite school were open in May. May to September. May can may and June can be hit or miss. It

[00:33:41] depends like again two years ago we had an amazing May and June like it was awesome but this year again it was a little bit cloudy. I would say let's say that you're coming in from the other side

[00:33:55] of the country and it's a big trip for you. You can't go wrong with July. July is the month that is very, very consistent. However with that consistency and with the time of year it can be a

[00:34:09] little bit busier so just keep that in mind as well. So the majority of people coming out there it's for the win sports team. Oh no no not for China Creek. China Creek is you know you get people

[00:34:22] that come out for the fishing. You get families just coming out for the camping as far as the win part like the people who come out just for the win were just a small portion really the people who

[00:34:35] are out there which I think adds to it because there's so many people that they're just walking the beach and they're like wow this is so amazing and it's something new to them unlike some of

[00:34:45] the other places around the world where you get there and it's just nothing but kite people when people and that's that. So yeah there's a lot of fishermen where we're at because you go to

[00:34:58] there is that one trail that goes all the way out to the ocean where there was little towns and stuff I just saw that last year but you could have like a multi-day hike all along that little

[00:35:07] trail that goes along the inlet. Yeah the inlet trail yep. Yes I think you can go all the way to BAMFILD actually which is like right on the coast there. No there's lots of do and that's the

[00:35:19] thing that's nice too as well is like there are some families where there's one person who's a win junkie and the rest of the families like we don't get it but that's a nice thing with China Creek

[00:35:28] is you know it's really good for everybody in the family like um there's a lot of really good hiking trails there's a beautiful China Creek Falls where you can go and swim in the summertime and there's

[00:35:40] waterfalls uh you know there's a little bike trip a pack like a little bike park for the kids to play on there's parks there it's close to town if you you know you don't want to cook you can go on the town

[00:35:55] and just eat one of the restaurants check out Porto Bernie so it's really got that nice location where I think uh it doesn't just focus on the win junkie it focuses on the win junkie that has their

[00:36:08] family that might not also be win junkies. That's awesome that's not always easy to find and know a lot of spots that are you know have a really good consistent thermal like that or often

[00:36:20] kind of an a desert and nothing going on there so it's really cool that there's more and there's more to it and then it could be a whole family destination as well. We want to say I guess thanks for joining

[00:36:31] a solution I think we're talking to us and thanks everybody else for joining thanks rag, yo's Ron and Sir Tom thanks Joony is again. Yeah thank you so much for having me on I really appreciate

[00:36:42] it and I look forward to seeing all of you guys out at trying to create the summer. Thank you. Yeah that was good thanks for joining us this awesome spot. Thanks a lot. Thanks everybody for tuning in and we'll see you next time.

[00:36:57] Sounds good. Oh good evening. Thanks for joining Tom and I in this episode we hope you enjoyed it and we'll see you next time.