[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. This week we have Xavi Corr joining us. Xavi is a 16-year-old pro-wing-foiler from Tarefa Spain. He has currently ranked 6th in the surf freestyle division of the
[00:00:12] GWA Pro Tour. He is only 80 points behind Maloginale. He was the youngest person to ever win the GWA World Cup event at the age of 15. I hope you enjoy this episode. Now we just release our third episode of The Wing
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[00:01:53] So now we hope that you enjoy today's episode. Welcome to the Wing Life podcast where we talk about wing foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. Well hey, is that a big thanks for joining me in the show today.
[00:02:12] Looking forward to chatting and it's great to meet you and heck of a lot of accomplishments for for 16 props to you. It's pretty cool. Yeah, thanks. It's great to be in this meeting too.
[00:02:26] I mean, go into chat about the Wing World and everything else. Yes, the Wing World is brand new but it's growing pretty quickly. Did you? When was your entry into water sports out of
[00:02:40] gotten you into Wing foiling? Actually, I was seven years old when I first got the Kate surfing. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, quite funny story with like no schools
[00:02:51] but they allow me to go on the lessons. They just wouldn't let me this. They say I was too light. They didn't have the insurance about fly away. They said they weren't taking in and then
[00:03:01] one of my dad's friends. He was a great kind of game of lessons and that's where I started. So you started at seven. Yeah, I think the limit here was like eight or nine years old and
[00:03:12] yet the way a certain way to rest the kite could loft you and that's pretty sweet. So you started what on trainer kite and then went from there? Actually, it started on a
[00:03:23] fateable kite. It was an air wash. It was on the first air wash kite. It was a three meter and yeah, that thing was just I can I was my feet one touch in the ground. I was
[00:03:36] just the guy was holding on the harness and I was flying one side to the other. How many best to put in my life? Did you feel kind of hooked pretty right away then?
[00:03:46] Yeah, I just just like this journey of washing as soon as you got hooked on and it's not pretty off. You know, I was like, oh, I'm not gonna, you know, I'm always gonna do this for the first of my life.
[00:03:55] Oh, that's cool. So how many years I guess did you do that until you ran into wingfoiling? Like how do you find wingfoiling for the first time? Well, through a says kite from the story, so I used to
[00:04:06] do a lot of, um, strap this khani and I was aiming to pump here as a strap this kite. We didn't have much waves while I live in Tv4 really good for the wind, so it's good for freestyle and everything else,
[00:04:17] but didn't have much waves and they were looking though conditions are looking for more wave riders and I just didn't have that base. So I then saw this wing wing thing ages ago like four
[00:04:30] five years ago and as I thought, this is ridiculous, you know, who's gonna do this? You know, ridiculous. And then one of my friends got one too, I was just making so much fun of him,
[00:04:40] you know, like, someone, you know, why are you doing this? That's just like, I'll show you a wussy sport, no power, no lifting. And then he said, give it a go. So I gave it a
[00:04:50] quick go. I had been doing kite for me before, so I knew how the follow would work, but I never did a bit of wind surfing, so I didn't know how you would fail and those people say it feels like
[00:05:01] wind surfing. And I hopped on and took me about 20 minutes and I was just on the fall and I said, well, it's pretty cool, but not my thing. So I left it for two weeks, didn't say I might idea it.
[00:05:13] And then, um, one of the local schools that I will give you a few lessons if you want, so I got a few lessons and it was probably, I still super lie back then and they said me out
[00:05:25] in 45 plus knots, no, to meet up. Wow. And the big sport. Yeah, still doing that again, wind back then. So it's always working up with this instructor and the board was just like,
[00:05:37] it was like an umbrella, you know, it's just like pulling us down, you know, we were trying to walk up. But yeah, it was pretty, it's pretty fun. And then I actually just got attached,
[00:05:45] and I was like, oh, it's pretty cool. Think for like wind. And then ever since then, I just always wanted to improve it out. It was like, oh, okay, I'm going to first do my jump,
[00:05:53] no, we do my chive and then, and then ever since then, I'm like, I've just been hooked. And especially like lighting feeling where you can just let go of the wind and you have a new power
[00:06:01] on you just lighting for ages on the one wage. I mean, it's what I love the most. Oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. How was your first ever foil session, citing? Like, how long did it take you to like get a handle on that beast because
[00:06:14] cite foilings hard? Yeah, that's in the 80s because it's really hard, you know. And the kind of thing which I just kept them, I just go flying up or I would just go too fast.
[00:06:26] The kites too low and it just starts planning and you're like, what do I do? You know, I mean, and I was choose, I was so scared of the foil back then. I was like, it's like a wiser shot
[00:06:34] on life. Yes, but do you and I, a lot of people think it's scary, but I've only been hit once by the fall and to you and there's this has been some bad injuries, but it doesn't happen
[00:06:45] that much often. But most people ask me, oh, this this little, this gonna affect you is this gonna hurt you anyway. You're gonna fall onto him. To you and I'm fall to it that bad. I'm
[00:06:55] called hospital. Of the injuries. And you're pulling some decent tricks, you're racing as well. So like, you're doing a bunch of crazy, narrowly stuff. So it's nice to hear because yeah,
[00:07:07] a lot of people are a little bit afraid of it, but um, but you're right, it doesn't happen as often if we take some precautions. And so what was your first big accomplishment that you felt
[00:07:19] personally when you were learning how to wing foil that other than the glide, like as soon as you felt glide, you're like, okay, this is like I'm gonna keep doing this and progress from there.
[00:07:29] Yeah, well yeah, as soon as I felt like something new to them, I was getting a bit of sick of citing and I was like, oh, this would give me something fun to welcome aside and fight to
[00:07:39] I think. And then it just became a full type thing. But my first bit of gear, it was like a boom, the wing. And a pretty old arm show for that. She was a HS 1250, which is quite big back then,
[00:07:57] so it was perfect. And a constant board because every size board was more than 80 leaders, for example, was still learning that it was that new to that. Mm hmm. That's true actually. So it was like the normal was everyone was doing around 1500. I mean, that was the normal,
[00:08:15] you know, if you think about it. And now what that's about 100 is for like beginner, because they meet those big endoings. It shows like how much it's progressed. It's crazy, especially what did you see growing up in terrifone, one of the win makers?
[00:08:30] Like how was that even through, because you started super young at seven, so I mean, it, it, it, it, wind was all around you, I guess. Yeah, yeah, it was, um, well, to
[00:08:40] when this, it began quite late the wind didn't come in as soon as how why it was some other sports. But as soon as it came in, I think it took about four weeks and four, I got to 10 people.
[00:08:53] And then another four weeks before football, double that. And now to go on as I think in most of the fan, like popular beaches, I think there's more winters and other than kiders, because
[00:09:04] I think citing with the lions and everything in such a busy beach too, there's so many people come around the world to come to Tweet for them. And there's so many kiders, so many learners,
[00:09:14] so many people that don't know where they all the rules. And also, you know, it's pretty fun to go on the wing with such strong or like conditions. You know, you could work for both and Tweetful
[00:09:24] happens in both the, you know, it's almost super strong or really liked. And I think the wing just gaps that together in acting so you can just go out on both conditions and enjoy both
[00:09:34] conditions. So I think it's exploding and there's so many young grungs is coming out. I mean, there's 10 year or eight years. And it's crazy. It's like there's so many wings. Yeah, there's wingers everywhere, like I'm in love and ton of Mexico right now. And it's
[00:09:50] a split with either 70 year olds or like 15 year olds. But on tour, like can you walk us through how you started? Did you think of competing or is that something that just came as you progressed?
[00:10:04] Or how did that happen? Well, actually, so I used to compete. Shop is climbing the national Spanish league. Oh, and I did it. But no, but yeah, yeah, it was pretty fun. And then, um,
[00:10:16] they then when the wing came, they were like, oh, let's do a league for that two to this two little few competitions. And so I said, oh, I'm like give that a little trick
[00:10:26] try it. It's like an hour from here. So I went there and fast competition, I came seconds. So it was pretty happy. Yeah. So it's like, oh, my dad's like, oh, you got a bit of
[00:10:37] I'm loose on your gut. You know, you're pretty good at this thing. So now I was like, yeah, yeah, so then the next thing came was the GW in three for it. And I did really well on that
[00:10:46] two. I got to the I got night. So I had before my first debut for the GW. And it tells us when that's when I started getting my name, you know, like people's like, okay, this is having
[00:10:58] blah, blah. And then six months later, it was another Spanish competition league and I won it, which would really push me up, you know, as I, oh, okay, well, if I can do this, it might
[00:11:12] for sure do really good in that GW. So then my, I went to the gut in France for the first moment. I mean, it's super strong, but it's the same as three for and I got equals fifth in the gut
[00:11:25] for my first time. I was like, whoa, I was crazy, you know what I was like still 14. I think I was we have some allocators with the youngest. And yeah, it was really crazy. It's like, oh my god.
[00:11:38] And then winged a bit more trained harder, you know, it's just training and training also enjoying myself. And then next condition was in the K&R Islands in Lanzo, which was the second
[00:11:51] event, waves, constant winds. And my first of the period, my king fourth there. So super happy about that, too. I was so happy. Yeah, so I had a pretty good year. And then after that, I want to,
[00:12:09] I won my home spot in three for coming first for my age. So I had a really good year. And also not year in June, I came the under 16, we stand on Slalom, we'll chat again. So I was pretty
[00:12:23] sick about out to. All right, congratulations young man. Hell of a year. Thank you. Yeah. Oh wow, okay. So who were, when did your sponsors kind of start to, because you're writing for
[00:12:37] Armstrong now? And I love army. Amazing brands, you know, stoked. What a great team over there. How did that relationship start to build? Well, so my first of the sponsor was Elish and stumbled.
[00:12:52] And they were great, you know, they really supported me. They were giving me the gear and they gave me the help. And I did great. And then has to start using some followers. And because they didn't
[00:13:05] have small, small, small, small enough for me. They were just a bit too big. So I started using I army and I'm not that contacted me a year before. So a year before that. And said,
[00:13:20] we really want you to join Armstrong team. And I was like, not very sure because the wings went that good. But the falls were great and I knew that. And so they sent me in the first,
[00:13:30] one of the first of MA 65s. And you know, I was like, listen, yeah, as I are, you know, it doesn't look that good. But we'll give you the drivers, it's on show. And they'd been this massive, you know,
[00:13:40] like, why is it about the H.A. 525? And they were like, oh, this is the next thing. But I saw them there and I said, okay, it looks all right. And so then they gave me a few prototype tells. And I was just
[00:13:52] trying it out. So it's way better for the surf. But I was good as for freestyle. And they sent me another prototype that MA 65. I mean, that one was crazy. I mean, it was going so well. As I wore this
[00:14:06] things crazy. I mean. And so I say, okay, I'll start using your worlds. So they sent me these more prototypes. And I was like, I can't get off these things. They were great for wave. I was just doing it for
[00:14:17] wave, running, freestyleing and for big air. And we think for one. And he had great pop and broken to any. I've been still using my one year old, MA 65s. Yeah, that's your third engineering.
[00:14:31] Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's got through Pauzo Rocks. It's been going through a lot of rocks. So I mean, it's got a few scratches on them. But I mean, it's working perfectly fine after
[00:14:40] they sanded it. And then yeah, and they'd said, oh, we're like, you to try some wings and bolts. I then met catch and catched him with one of his prototype bolts. And I was like,
[00:14:52] well, this thing's crazy for everything that pulled you know. But I was still not sure about the wings. You know, I mean, I was like, Oh, the wings might be a bit further behind because they'd
[00:15:01] always be big on the falls, not as big on the wings. Correct. And they sent me some prototypes on the wings. And I was like, whoa, like, they had booms on them and they said, yeah, this is what we're
[00:15:13] going to try and make for you. And I was like, I was pretty impressed. It's like, even there these guys made it two weeks time. I was like, what the hell, you know? You see, it takes months
[00:15:20] to develop a boom material, you know, hard work. And they made it two weeks time. They sent it to me. They said, give it a try. Tell us what you'd like it or not. I literally hopped onto it.
[00:15:32] I did all my tricks. And then I was like, well, this brings power working perfectly fine. And they said, okay, we can make every size if you want. And then I said, oh, I want to think about it.
[00:15:43] Good business. Good young businessman. Let me think about it, army. And you know, it was like, I was talking to them without a body and to tell us what you were talking about, like, how long shung is like just execrated? Like cash has made the, uh,
[00:15:59] Armstrong, it really nice. Not only that, but this is the products really nicely engineered. They make everything in such short time, you know, I order a board and it comes in a week and a half.
[00:16:10] I mean, it's incredible, you know? You know what? You're like, if this can't be the board, can I? And then the opening is the board of your life with the biggest next one. And so yeah.
[00:16:22] And so then I said, you know, my dad was talking about it like, you know, they're great team next and army is so stoked. I mean, I'm talking to them all the time about feedback and everything
[00:16:32] in there. Yeah, yeah, we can do that. What do you think about that? You know, and it's like, so it's like, if it doesn't feel like they're my boss, but they feel like friends that want to help,
[00:16:41] you know, push me, but also the wind, you know, development and everything. They just want to make everything better. You know, they don't, they don't want to just stick on the M.A.s. They want
[00:16:51] to make the M.A.s even better. I mean, like, okay, we've made the M.A. so well, you know, it's got so popular. And everyone that lot has gone and made loves it. And you know, it's the wing that everyone wants
[00:17:02] because it's just such a great wing. And then I was talking to army and Nathan, I said, oh, we're going to keep this, you know, and they said, you know, it's such a big wing and when they make
[00:17:10] it even better. So, you know, and they've just bought out the H.A. range. They're always developing the, they've also just bought the S1 range, which is for the starters, they're just, you know, they think about everyone. Not thinking about fessials, they think about thinking about
[00:17:25] the Guinness intermediate people want to write waves, people who watch and join themselves. So yeah, I think they are really nice like feeling at a nice feeling about them. When I said, you know, I don't join them. And then I hope both is going to join them.
[00:17:40] And I was like, oh, I'm so joining that. She's awesome. Yeah, she's so funny. And also cash is a great team at T. Yes, yeah. Yeah, cash just came under show like last week.
[00:17:55] So it was a fun conversation with him actually. Yeah, it's got really, you know, it's really nice, super funny. I mean, it feels like fun, you know? I mean, I mean, like, I feel like Boris, like,
[00:18:05] all the system and so it's cash, like an all the boy that you can meet. But like, you know, and that's like Nathan army, just like the dad, you know, they're just trying to make
[00:18:15] life way better, make it way fun to see. You know, me. Yeah, like it's just we can reminisce a little bit. Like, did you think even starting off a while ago that you would get this kind of big family
[00:18:27] community from around the world? Like, because you're on tour and stuff like how does that compare to maybe some other the kids that are at school with you in Spain? Does it does that?
[00:18:38] How does that amplify? Yeah, to us, I didn't even think I was going to make it this far. I thought it was a few events each year, you know, maybe like a hometown event and just staying in the
[00:18:47] level. But, you know, I showed that I had the experience. I showed that I was making it to compete. I showed that at the school and everything. And I showed that I was determined and then,
[00:18:59] you know, I think the sponsors came through and they said, yeah, I will support you and I'm going to support you through all the way. And I will if you keep doing well and you have fun,
[00:19:09] you know, that's the important that every sponsor or every band just wanted to have fun. You know what I mean? That's the whole part of this is the whole thing about it. It's a sport
[00:19:17] and atmosphere to enjoy. It shouldn't be like, you shouldn't feel too much pressure because, you know, everyone's just trying to help everyone, you know what I mean? It's just like kind of communities, it's like a server community. Everyone's to have a good wave but also
[00:19:33] they want to share that wave and they want to help everyone else. So I feel like, yeah, I feel like compared to my other, like, my friends who still start in school, they say,
[00:19:42] like, you know, they said, yeah, it's because I'm going to Brazil and I'm going to be able to support. I'm like, I'm still training my ass off. You know, I mean, like, I'm training
[00:19:51] so hard like every day or like getting a gym, eating healthy, then training and then doing video analysis, I do well that because it's important, you know what I mean? And it's to keep
[00:20:03] efficiently, but I still have fun. And I think like, one of my friends think it's like, oh, you're just going to walk on and just do this competition, but actually if you want to do
[00:20:14] what on this competition, if you're going to show that an athlete, then you go to do all these, all the stuff around it. Yeah. So who are you? Do you have a coach that helps you because video
[00:20:25] analysis, let's dive into that a little bit right there, because that's a huge component to improving. Yeah. Who does that with you? Coach, you're dead, other people? My, my dad, he's great at it. Yeah, back. Oh, man. I was looking at it and said, you are. And
[00:20:43] he, we pick out every little spot, you know, okay, you're doing that one. We slow everything down. And then the next day comes up in the water with me on his wing, he's just learning how to do
[00:20:52] pop a wing again. So he used to be a kite serpety. Oh, nice. So yeah, he helps me. And then we just hopefully, we get that truth today out that day or if not it's going to be another
[00:21:03] day. And you know, I think like video analysis really important. And if you're going to compete professionally and the G.L.R. It, because you wouldn't notice, but actually do so many small
[00:21:16] little mistakes that if you just fix one of them, it could, you know, keep the whole trick. Or if you finish like, I think because there's so much overload in the brain of thinking so many things
[00:21:27] that you don't notice the small little things. Yeah. So I think like I think video analysis shows you all, you're not talking your knee, you're not talking your knees and laughing or doing something.
[00:21:36] That's like so quick and easy to change. Like it just changed everything, you know what I mean? So does your dad follow you? Like how do you guys record or is this a top secret world tour
[00:21:50] or a chapter? It's pretty simple. He just sits in the water and I just come flying in, do my tricks. And then if he can spot it by his IQ, tell me you're going to apply, we're not going
[00:22:02] high enough and not a bit okay with it. I'll focus on that. And then we go later. And we see what we would rather write, what we'd rather roll. You know, I mean, so if I'm getting those tricks,
[00:22:11] well how am I getting those tricks? If I'm getting the tricks, what are my getting the one? We can do that. Okay. And then we can see everything and it's just, you know, I
[00:22:20] find it really interesting looking at it because it's just in, you know, I know, I just enjoy it just looking at myself, you know, showing okay, well that's why I'm going to do to improve
[00:22:31] my next. Yeah. I'm an accession. Well, that's true. Yeah, that's true because, because looking at it from the different angles and having coach there in the water with you, um, yeah, like what
[00:22:43] was your first trick that you landed in freestyle? Um, that yeah, what was your first trick? Uh, first thing that I have landed is probably a fun side three, um, okay, which actually
[00:22:57] took me a lot longer than I expected. Um, again, I use video analysis, my dad helped me and we just could bite it to other writers and to honest, we did take a bit longer than what I expect. And I
[00:23:10] actually is a pretty hard trick to be game on this. A lot of people think it's pretty easy, but I'm saying like one hand trick is a much easier, like a backside three, one hand
[00:23:19] date or you know, two, seven, one eighty, something simple because I feel like to honest, you get so much pull from the way that it's hard to learn, but to honest people always get
[00:23:29] that, you know, everyone, everyone gives up like my dad's trying to do it right now and I said, you know, it's ticked me about two or three weeks and I'll tell you probably tell you a bit
[00:23:39] long-up, but I mean you will get it, you know, they just clicks, just clicks like that and you get it. And then when you never do this again, if I mean, do you just stuff dry land training, like trampoline,
[00:23:50] whatever with a wing first or do you kind of do it all in the water? I do a lot of trampoline. It's one eye, like I love doing it. We will trampoline here and I love doing like build back flips,
[00:24:00] back flip quarks and I think it really helps in the wing too. I will bring my wing is quite hard to bring the trampoline in the child. Yeah, you're right, but you're right. Yeah,
[00:24:09] okay, so that makes sense. So that goes into a bit deeper of learning how to do that stuff on the on land and then jumping into the water. What kind of what's your next move that you're
[00:24:19] working on? We don't need to say it if you want to keep some things in the bag. But, uh, like it's crazy to look at, like even this recent competition, right? Like in Luka that just happened
[00:24:32] and like what, gusting up to 60 knots, stalled fronts, all that kind of stuff, 1080s, like holy man. Yeah, it the tricks are going over the way if you don't know what
[00:24:44] I was going to have for next. I mean, this trick is coming out every day. You look at a wider and you know, like you saw that wider few months ago and he's like yeah, he's wider than well,
[00:24:53] but you see him now and he's like oh, he's wider, he's a threat in the competition. And every just catching up really quickly. Yeah, he used to be a really big difference like two years ago,
[00:25:03] naven's you know quite close together and it's just like points off, you know, except for Chris who is just in another level, you know, he's so good. He's just very consistent, you know,
[00:25:13] he can land every trick and everything pushing him. It's just shows that he should be a winner in him. I mean, Maddoz Greg's style too, he can do Lurt tricks and it's also a great
[00:25:23] big wider but he's just not as consistent as Chris. I mean, Chris was doing 10, 80s and 16 knots. I was I could barely do anything, you know, I was yeah, I knew my deal. I just do some
[00:25:35] still fun to the basic shakes. But that is like seeing him was like how does he do that? Yeah, well it happens like I've been served in 40 knots and that everything happens fast, right?
[00:25:47] Like everything becomes light and it happens like this, like how is doing a stalled forward in that much wind and like what size of a wing were you on? I was a two meter,
[00:25:56] who was pretty crazy. I've never been such a small wing. I was talking about it with my dad. He said yeah, yeah, it was crazy. And I was talking about them and he said, oh, you never used a 2.2 from Armstrong, you know, the two swall, you know,
[00:26:10] it's too small for you and I said that. I thought as you're going to use it one day. So you order it and I'm with those great idea to me and Bow just showing that wing because
[00:26:22] you know, it was so strong. Even I think I'm feeling like I'm a plastic bud. I mean people to look around a plastic bag and you can't wait. I mean they had to stop the racing because
[00:26:32] it was so sharp. The Bow was just the Bowies were just flying away. The Bow did better just like stay there. The Bow was just, you know, they were putting the full throttle in there
[00:26:41] but just weren't moving. So it was crazy and then they made a scary face that I don't know what I was like, well, what could I keep this today? And then they made this go out there.
[00:26:54] I mean, it was fun. I mean, I just one of the highest ones I've ever done in my life there. I was just holding up and then just throwing it and it was just the wing. It's so small. You can
[00:27:04] just stay so quick but yeah, it was fun and it was a great experience. I at least I know that I can go out in 50 plus and you know. And you guys are what riding tractors through the water to get
[00:27:16] out to the event side or something? Yeah, it was super flooded. I mean, it was crazy. It was like strong, the sand was like you can't stand on the beach, no, it's not going to stand on the beach
[00:27:28] because it is just so sharp. You know, this is like hurting. It was like someone was whipping all so people were just like in the container's hiding and they went in with your heat,
[00:27:36] you put your hand on and one out as quick as possible for you. It was like so funny because it's so cold in the morning. You can't feel their fingers, they get numb and you can't open
[00:27:49] place them. I know it's crazy. You're wearing it. We try to do freestyle and usually you know it's trying to open and then close your hand like get the hands. I found it so hard to
[00:27:59] go out the wing and do everything because it was just like my hands were so cold but so when my feet is just pretty full of conditions but it's a great place in it. I really like it. I want another
[00:28:12] one. I shared a first place with the back. I had swim the innovation came out. Yeah, I was learning some new tricks. So what is innovation for people who are just starting to follow
[00:28:23] the tour? Innovations like a bunny trick that the judges haven't seen, and there's never been done in competition before. It can be anything. Everyone's just doing different auditions and they can go backward forward. Anything you think of, it's kind of cool and not like any
[00:28:42] trick that's on the trick list. It's going to be called innovation and they can times it. It's an inverted innovation. It's going to be time by 1.3 and if it's flat like horizontal so you're not going
[00:28:53] inverted then it's going to give times 1.2. So it's quite a big. I mean if you get a smaller than if you get 7.8. The judges give you 7.8 for the trick. They do the multiplication. It's
[00:29:04] nearly 9. It's open 9 which is pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So if it's something they haven't seen. So like in this one what we had front flips into 1080s was that was that the most innovative
[00:29:17] trick that you saw at this competition? Well there's a difference so we got companies too. So what Congress are is when you land a trick and then you've got like this the fold usually we've
[00:29:26] got all these folders that are really poppy. So as soon as you land a trick it just wants us the poppers out and so all these combos are as when you pop out again, add the water after
[00:29:35] the land it tricks and imagine they're fump flip your landing and touch the water. The fold's going to pop you out of the water and then you start to intrix in the air again
[00:29:43] and then land it against it. We're calling this combos and so what Chris is done is see they're fump flip and then land it and he did a 360 near land it, come with out again so then
[00:29:55] grab up in the 360 and then 360 again and land this. It was pretty crazy I haven't seen that and I mean I was like whoa he's got crazy pop. I was like what's this guy on you know I'm being
[00:30:08] scary what's he eating what's he drinking just getting on that tacos lots and lots of tacos so how long do you think until somebody else can pull that off with? Is that something
[00:30:22] that you think you could do? Yeah but a bit of practice but I feel such a hard trick with such a such a high risk for not very good reward you know they gave it a 10 but for sure if you
[00:30:33] don't do it as clean as they would then they're on a score as well and they've been they've been they've been they've been telling the athletes that if you do a sloppy like 360 when you've
[00:30:43] landed or sloppy 360 360 in the end and you don't when you land it nicely or anything they're just gonna take loads of points off so I'm more focusing on the innovation part but also
[00:30:53] just try to consistency like crazy to get a drink that I'll know that score high the whole time you like I've been pretty much getting these 1080s I've been doing quite a lot of 10 days and I'm
[00:31:05] trying to get them a lot I get them every now and then but it's pretty hard trick but I think it's score so well so it's a good risk you know for good luck. I see what you're saying
[00:31:15] okay so you can kind of guarantee yourself some secure point and then you can try something afterwards. Yeah exactly okay I mean if you think about it like there's really good riders out there
[00:31:27] I could say loads who you know would be Chris any day if they had 25 minutes and infinite tricks because they would just do some crazy stuff and they would land it you know I'm Chris we probably do some crazy stuff too but they say like Malo Bastian
[00:31:45] that I've come up with these tricks you're like well but they have a lot of consistent and it doesn't work in all conditions and that's where Chris kicks in and he's like you know
[00:31:53] I've got three tricks that are going to score so well and then when Alcise is good as job because they're gonna come and get some tricks but they can be lucky once on twice yet there's innovative trick but they'll never down with you be more and so.
[00:32:08] He's he's a he's a you know he knows how to compete loads of people say that you know he's not got like that crazy what he's doing all the crazy tricks he is doing crazy
[00:32:19] tricks but he just knows when to do them and how to do them. Yeah is there there's an art to competing right like how to do what to do like how do you find
[00:32:31] you find there's people unsure that are helping you and kind of adding up points in that like let's walk through that kind of aspect of things because it's completely different than then joy riding. Yeah yeah so yeah exactly so we usually have seven data terms
[00:32:48] for tricks count you have to land half of the tricks that you do so you got eight trick attempt so and usually a lot of athletes keep it safe from the first two tricks get some
[00:33:02] quotes in the board you know just so they can then start playing with a bit more now they've got six attempts so they you know they've got a bit more attempts to try some of things and then
[00:33:12] I know a lot of people that have Cally you know it's really important to know if you're winning or losing because it could just come out you know if you're winning why would you do all this
[00:33:19] in high like antrics and like India yourself you know but you know do stuff that you could or do that stuff that you don't want to need to do but imagine you're losing by zero point
[00:33:33] something and you just have to do a simple you know simple but you think that you're losing quite or you think you're winning or losing and you can just go full cent yeah so I knew a lot of people
[00:33:45] on myself will use someone will tell me okay I'm winning by this amount I'll show you do okay I think through a mind okay this getting you will be big thought for the will get me at seven
[00:33:56] points let's get so point in the board and that will check me ahead of ahead of him for now and then it's how we play you know it's completely different than free ride again
[00:34:07] you're just thinking all the time you know you think okay so he's done at that trick what's you gonna score what she liked next and it's just you know ongoing also mental battle you know
[00:34:19] you're trying to keep yourself calm and show that you're show you competitive that you're calm and you know that you're confident to win it but in the inside you're feeling all so
[00:34:31] scary you know if I lose this is you know it can be the answer really yeah so it's interesting yeah no definitely how do you communicate with sure is it through a watch is it through
[00:34:43] Mike is it through just hand signals like baseball like I think I had bull was saying that some of them used like like baseball like steel third signals and stuff like that and they got their tricks
[00:34:53] mapped out with that yeah that's what we were doing to take a clock so so we used like white hand is winning left hand is losing then it just like so if it's left hand up then it means you're losing
[00:35:08] by very little left hand like down means you're losing by a lot then winning by a little winning by a lot okay that's so yeah it's pretty important yeah super simple but also
[00:35:24] absolutely well because you know as if people would go like this one two there's a shame much you you're willing one as you're wanting to you're coming second both the baseball that
[00:35:34] you're going to show you if you're winning by a lot so we're winning by the end of the so yeah it's you know it's interesting and my dad came up with his ages ago and then
[00:35:42] either there's other people doing it but then more people started joining you taking more fashion yeah no that makes complete sense so how do you look at the mental aspect of jumping
[00:35:56] into a competition like how are you able to kind of work through that process of of keeping fun because that's what that's what that's a cash was saying right I said like I said I focus a lot
[00:36:08] a lot a lot on fun but there's also the competitive side of things so how do you manage that in the water and stay calm and that kind of thing yeah you know I get pre-stressed when you
[00:36:18] were about to go out with the shoe size it was listening to music very like tack a chain to other people you know I'll judgment out and I just you know just think they're staying calm I use these
[00:36:29] think of like friends without being running out with okay I'm gonna get out for a session with my friend you know we're gonna have fun and then I go out there and then I then
[00:36:38] get my tricks down and if something goes wrong I just take a few three deep breaths I feel like just three is just the one you know it's getting more calm and then I go out and
[00:36:48] okay let's go back you know this is nothing about the tense and let's just think about like a normal session in the friends you know a fun one like when you got to be fun you're sending
[00:36:58] or their friends and just we'll have you a lot of as a thing about that go do my trick hopefully not let me know this is like this yeah you give her yeah that makes sense how do you
[00:37:10] manage school and friends and travel and all of that because that's a super cool experience like we talked about but how do you manage your time and stuff with everything? Well yeah it takes out a lot
[00:37:24] of your schedule you know in conditions is usually a week but usually go a week before the trade and so yeah it's you're gonna ask I do online school so I've got this really great online
[00:37:36] school that from England and they just there's one to one or a few more students like maybe maximum five students and it's an actual teacher and we just work till I work till about two o'clock
[00:37:50] Spanish time and then I'm actually I might that work at home too so it's great for both of us eat lunch, garden water and then study into homework in the afternoon and that's what you're
[00:38:03] going to make sure they're the great thing about online schools I can put usually most places and I can always do my classes you're gonna read I can always do a few classes
[00:38:13] and it's just helps you know I mean it's just a lot of schools on part like you know schools that you have to go in person don't really allow competing that much they've really strict you know especially Spain and England you know you actually get fine in England
[00:38:29] if you take few days more than a few days off from ancient school so they're super strict okay and the school's really open about it because they can say okay we can give you more lessons
[00:38:40] one day than then you know imagine I have a competition there two weeks we're gonna give you a lot more lessons this week between other you know classes in competition
[00:38:50] so that I can fill up my education that week fill up the gap and then I'm competing and I'm back you know I'm lost I missed anything um and it's great you know
[00:39:04] do you find that feels a lot more of a natural way of learning like incorporating it into your normal life rather than you incorporating into it? Well it's quite hard to notice because
[00:39:15] you ought to be quite dependent and you could just be on your phone or just missing land and class there's no teacher well they can't want to see I mean yeah um but yeah I feel like
[00:39:27] you know it's quite a big change you know because you're not with friends or when you're in school you know you're not hanging around with friends you're I'll go down to the beach and hang out with them
[00:39:36] but you know quite a bit different you know you could feel as I quite learn I know a lot of other athletes who have last called and she'll learn slowly doing it but to notice with my
[00:39:46] sport I'm so determined to do well that um and I also enjoy it so much you know I think think of doing another sport without wing you know I just love the water I would do anything you know
[00:39:58] I'd go I'd try to do downwind but the wing just just opens up off whole different thing you know just opens up my mind and chill with me out you know
[00:40:08] so yeah I know it's like my Z coming from that from at the start we're like I'm not touching this sport it's funny how it sounds like that happens there yeah it's crazy because you know
[00:40:21] it's I don't see the development square is you had everything's crazy you know when you think about also when you get older I have to think about like job university and it's just great to go out
[00:40:31] of the water and just not think about that you know me you just are already one new one can talk to you except your friends and when they talk to you they're talking about what she's gonna do
[00:40:39] and the funny face plants you've had on that one but that trick to done you know it's just you and you feel really great about it and it's just it's a refreshing I feel like when I don't have
[00:40:49] hard work of school um and I got on the water I still haven't fully any charge back water just opens me up there to speak to me for you fresh yeah yep that's definitely
[00:41:01] something that it does and helps reset everything from mental to emotions to to body and so how is like you mentioned good food you had mentioned working out what is it that you do in those
[00:41:14] areas that helps you stay fit and limber and that kind of thing well I think it's really a point now we've seen that um people who I've got who are small but also agile in this sport
[00:41:27] doing really well because just don't end up much weight except if you aren't 60 plus knots but that's true for all of us I would have died so you know it's I think it's important to not
[00:41:42] have too much muscle but sufficient muscle to have fun for you ride and you know so but then it's also important to be you have great mobility and also really important is injury prevention
[00:41:56] yeah this is a big factor because injury we could take you out for months and in months the sport changes you know that's very true you know changes every two weeks say you know you're ready
[00:42:09] behind a month and it takes a whole lot of time to get back to the level so yeah it's really important to have this injury prevention you know done so it's great to do some weights not too much
[00:42:21] weights flexibility just always keeping active you know it's great all the trampolines really good for your your knees biking is good for your knees to swimming everything everything active which doesn't suit too much pressure on knees because you had a lot of jumping on the weight is
[00:42:41] a lot of falling and landing on the board and it can create quite a bit of pain so I think it's great to build and muscles around your knees but also to keep them flexible so they can really
[00:42:52] squat down if you had a hard landing you know yeah that's true so how does because your foot strapped so how does throwing like a front flip on that and landing a bit awkward like how's that
[00:43:04] on your body because I found winging even strapless when you're like your full comes out of the water some of the craziest white pets I've ever had just like full on like it's insane so how is it
[00:43:17] for people who might never jump and flip like how are the white pets I mean the white pets you have like the sense when you know you know why I thought that you call off him and pull
[00:43:29] but you know sometimes the white bats come about I've had sympathy by the white bats but I mean actually really how it's because I've twisted my knee because they don't strap and my whole
[00:43:38] body's just moved all other situations where one foot comes out and the other one doesn't become our eaters you're trying to you that thinking so I could the other one in also to be
[00:43:49] up on out you know to your go like this and the worst thing is when you when the whole foils up in the end it's flicks you can see the foil wink just you can see it right from your eyes
[00:44:00] you know so you like wish lady and that's when it gets really sketchy to you and also when it could be how you're ankle and every other things but those are people you know those
[00:44:11] people actually injured by the wink just because it pulled the muscles from your shoulders if you oh you're shit okay foil flipping yeah foil gives you quite big pull and if you're not ready for
[00:44:23] it and your muscles are ready for you're putting a muscle 100% so you gotta be careful and you should always limp up you know like maybe you don't do like sometimes I don't really do any warm-up
[00:44:35] in the beach but I always have a 10 minute warm-up on the water so I'll do some easy jails cover around just limp it my body up so just get a nice and warm and then I'll just start with
[00:44:46] some easy tricks like backflips from flicks and then move into the back moats just harder tricks you know and it just limps off the body then you know you're you know you're ready to have the
[00:44:57] you know yeah that's a very good point actually because you're not going to go and it changes based on everything right wind direction wind strength whether or not well waves chop all that kind of thing so you gotta go practice your tricks in every single kind of condition
[00:45:13] every single kind of strength yeah exactly you know if you know this like so like that you know if it's you know it's gonna be strong wind then you go stream strong wind and
[00:45:25] flat water but you know you can always change so it's always good to go out and we condition I mean I've been out 10 to plus 50 knots and it's a good to show you you know I see that
[00:45:39] what trees you can do are you comfortable you know you can be uncomfortable in that well and you say I don't like that or uncomfortable in the way you know I mean you I don't know if you saw
[00:45:48] Kate Fred's a but we're so massive I'm sure those people were like well maybe a bit too big for me and it's just you know it's great to see where your values are because then you know what
[00:46:00] a push them and maybe you don't want to push them but it's always great I think it's always great push a bit um what keeps you motivated to do that is at the fun aspect of things is there
[00:46:11] a bit of competition in there like that's the one question that Matt asked from the team it's like he was just curious about that no I'm super competitive person I hate losing
[00:46:23] I'm so bad at it I mean when I was young I went that said I had hate losing and I would hate you know game things taken off me so I'm really competitive but I know those people do for fun
[00:46:36] and they also feel like you know it's like a lot like when you do maybe the first time you would do it by flip well so excited but after the hunt just apparently do it you know like
[00:46:45] a bit bored that's doing another thing so if you're like seeing things happen to everything in big ways you know once you use to those big waves it's not what you know it's snow before me
[00:46:56] this you know push on a bit and I think there's just in most few minutes um yeah it's natural and that means it just like be like yeah I need to push a bit harder
[00:47:08] because I'm getting bored you don't get a question anymore you know me like if you're writing down a big wave feel like oh you feel that wash and it's an addictive wash you want to keep
[00:47:17] paying that wash I think yeah you're running away from a giant or you're doing something yeah like how do you find the speed of because foiling makes things look bigger right when you're on
[00:47:28] swell around waves like compared to if you were surfing on a basic whatever or even citing on a surfboard do you find that foiling makes things look bigger and faster?
[00:47:38] Yeah it looks way bigger and it feels way dangerous too yeah oh it's got a knife you know if feels like life under him and you know you think about it you're on this like thing that can
[00:47:49] go so fast you know it's what everyone like it's all like America's couple about you know because they move so much faster that's what they want to use and you know you know once the
[00:48:00] nose how fast these things can really go in it's still working you know people are still working like how fast can get these things and I feel like they've got so fast the surface too
[00:48:11] so when you're in a wave it feels like I don't know how to describe it but it feels like snowboarding but snowboarding on the air it's down me it's really weird and it's actually nice
[00:48:23] and it's like a whole different experience and it makes the wave look way bigger because you're you know surfing can get you so much slower and there's nothing like that that aren't but if you want to top of the wave with 85cm in a mast
[00:48:39] you know it looks like you know if it's a foaming away and you're with any fives it looks like a 60m full yeah you're right actually like how am I to get down this? what an obvious you know such incredible speeds you know so you're thinking like
[00:48:58] you're looking down you feel like a word of case you know you have a top of wind you're like oh she's like a down and you're like push yourself down and then it's like yeah I've got pretty pretty bad white belts we're having a skate bud then
[00:49:12] we're going to put a predator no I would have to go east I really nice at it and really like with with basically a pita one of my good friends and there's a sick place down there was some massive waves like the biggest waves that
[00:49:25] I would be not on and I took my foil I took up 400 per type from I'm sure that's a little yeah it was it made us pick the mA and it's so cool and this
[00:49:39] I thought I know you said put I pulled it and I went down this thing and I all like it says I was at the top of the thing and these things were biolink so they were steep
[00:49:48] and I was at the top of it and I thought oh I'm getting much and you know you get like this pin up feeling where you feel like the waves is picking you up and I just can go down
[00:49:58] I was just like the wave was just kept sucking me up and I think I fell from the top of the wave with my foil just the whole way down my wings are the fall and I have a feeling yeah
[00:50:12] I'm really interested I have yeah I have pretty bad you know pretty bad I was pretty scared it was much better to wave it was about four meters but it was on a quite skinny reef you know so
[00:50:25] and the jet ski can't get in there is where the jet ski broke what the jet ski you know did so I had to get my wing and I laid on my wing and I served these things how do we
[00:50:38] I know how I did it but I like just like lay on my wing pull like crazy girl and it would just be like a surfboard yeah yeah crazy coffee is so cool that's like and so that's like I good out
[00:50:51] luckily there happen to be here in Mexico like what two weeks ago I was getting too close to the beach and there was some nice surf and it just started to like
[00:51:00] I saw some white water peaking and I had gotten too close to show I was like oh so I had to dive off board takes me to show I fall and then I landed on it like a crazy carpet and the ocean just spit me out
[00:51:13] It was pretty funny and I just spit me out and I was like it took me 20 minutes to find a way back in because it was beach breaking but um nothing broke so nothing broke for you either I guess yeah no
[00:51:24] they made these things quite doable yeah it's amazing but I mean to us I didn't see much wings getting exposed by the average show but I mean I I stood in the pictures I'm too
[00:51:37] tricks and my fault this ones on the you know there's nothing you can't do about that but I mean on the way if they're great you know I mean I think of any broken wants my way on our way
[00:51:48] and I'm looking at any archer wings which just shows it's pretty good you know I mean I think it's important to have a bit of flex or a lot of people think of like if you pump it up a
[00:51:59] lot it's gonna not break but that she's gonna break because such high purchase is gonna so I think if you go in big waves I'd recommend to not pump a too much that's a really second yeah yeah it was not you're thinking about it yeah exactly
[00:52:16] it's just like a pipe imagine you leave a pipe the whole day in the sun just can be explode so if you think what if someone tried to push it or wing it and you got a lot of
[00:52:25] pressure and then it's just gonna try find a way to escape and so yeah I think it's if you're now in big waves to release the air same thing if it's pretty hot but I mean to be honest
[00:52:38] loads of people think that they have to follow you know the oh it says nine bit of size of the public and ran psi but two years loads of questions from the wains to 1314 psi it shows a quick difference yeah it's crazy and
[00:52:56] difference is that when we finish we deflate it you know loads of people will just how go off have a beer have their lunch forget about their week and then it'll look square you
[00:53:06] I mean so I mean if you are gonna pump in high pressure then remember every time you're gonna finish it I mean you think you're gonna go fall 20 or 30 minutes or more deflate the way if it's hot
[00:53:17] commission you know me yeah you can pump in a wing a lot of what people expect they can't be and you haven't seen too many below I've had like overexcited pressures oh yeah yeah I've seen
[00:53:30] you know I've seen some pop their wing in the competition and they just kept pumping pumping I think they were there for about 10 minutes and then it just I don't think they were concentrating
[00:53:41] they're just like you sound like a dog show you like you just when you try and go down then someone is coming to wait the rate they can tain up 40,000 in the week it's like probably
[00:53:54] like it's so expensive but yes yes the containers must be worth a lot yeah so no of it it's fine because you know whenever you hear what's happening you know yeah yeah I guess so you duck a little bit what's your talking about Armstrong what's your favorite
[00:54:14] setup from those guys that you're riding right now oh yeah that's the finishedest crazy I actually lose people awesome so I'm using an M65 which is probably my favorite font wing ever because it works everything I mean everything cash you know crazy guy on the waves
[00:54:34] the crazy stuff on the wave he's using the same photos me so my eyes I'm a dig-pussy tricks big front flips back flips and everything else so it just shows that what's both
[00:54:44] boat we love set too I mean everyone who gets on it and those are the right for love set because it's just it's just nice it's fast nimble you know it's what you want from a 600
[00:54:56] you don't want something you know this wings at a stable and an 800 made 100 is really stable the M65 is nimble agile fast you know that's what you want and so I'm been looking for
[00:55:08] and it's been what I'm using and then I pair with a speed 180 usually put pollution but when I go out and babes red shim I follow casheets so setup then I use 60 fuse I think it's the best
[00:55:22] fuse because it keeps the EU stable you get moves of pop out of it I feel like you get lose pop out of the 60 sheets you do get a lot of pop from the 50 but I feel like you get a bit more
[00:55:32] from the 60 and it's just more stable so I use the 60 the 13 you want has an album broken at yet which is great you know it's the 86 performance mast 86 8 yeah it's 86 centimeters okay through the performance months game changes yeah how do you find because I haven't like I'm
[00:55:54] riding an older Armstrong kit like I have like one of the original 1550s and I'm gonna I'm gonna upgrade eventually but what do you find compared to the first gen mast it is performance
[00:56:05] mast like what do you feel from a rider what what difference does that make well to goodness I feel like it's um you know it's um I feel like it's a bit more stiff to waste if other than the normal
[00:56:19] okay you can tell it when you're especially carving on the waves or doing frees down in a landing you really feel the mast bend a bit any mast you know any cover mast that always bend a bit
[00:56:32] but the performance mast doesn't bend as much it's just a bit more faster to the wall I feel like it's a bit more efficient um and it hasn't broken yet you know I have broken quite a lot of
[00:56:44] copped moths in the past but I haven't built enough performance mast yet which is shows a piece of it's I've been using for a year so it's good to do something yeah definitely
[00:56:56] yeah okay and what size of boards and stuff are you ready so I'm using a wing 58 leader board is the wing FG a great board of I always I always take kilos okay um I don't know what that's
[00:57:12] must be like why yeah 150 155 or something okay closer I think 150 yeah yeah so I mean it's quite big for my size you know to us and freestyle and you really need this kind of the which
[00:57:26] to get that pop back around for the lighter wind so it's all my go to board you know and then I would use the 48 for weight which is just really nice too hmm so that's my setup
[00:57:36] and then I use an XPS yeah the new wave right yeah the boots so they're interesting you know a lot of people are asking about it so yeah the XPS with booms is everyone loves the XPS it's
[00:57:53] been already famous in able loves it because it's stable but really great in the waves and it's really good all while we you know I mean so we've put booms on them
[00:58:06] try them out you know we have a change and anything along just put booms and they work in perfect well and so yeah some new things are common you know so new way interesting things coming for
[00:58:15] answer and I think a lot of people would be like well you know that's pretty cool so there that we didn't know that they mean they never stop I mean my phone doesn't stop they were sending
[00:58:26] pictures and I guess excited and they get super excited so it's it's really interesting because you know everyone has a different like cash is thinking about weight when I'm thinking about first album also
[00:58:37] bit of weights uh boat is thinking of both and so when they send us these things it's great to hear what other people think you know like so cash is like oh this thing's got great pop but it's
[00:58:48] laughing a bit of turning so they tune it up for him and then they say okay we're done we do so now I try it and my all this is a great way it's also great for Freesa and Waves that this could be
[00:58:57] the next you know M.A. so it's great to test them you know they're really good they're pretty fast and then you give feedback to we say the new foil you know I definitely didn't use it so it's pretty
[00:59:09] quick yeah no kidding how does it feel to be part of their R&D you're ever going to be put into the history box as a little R&D that's pretty fun yeah I mean I wouldn't have liked it when
[00:59:22] I was younger like you know because I used to be with dude for kidding and I was like oh you know it would be so cool the child is prototypes though but now I think about it you know it's
[00:59:32] so fun to just get into these little things and it's really hard your things can change it like the wind like hard be the leading edges or what kind of canopy you select the weight everything and everything look everything changes the weight and it's pretty crazy
[00:59:49] because everyone thinks oh you know just do that and you just put a ruler on it and they're all work 10 times better but actually you gotta know how to work with the ruler and you know the
[01:00:01] canopy is different and also you know the average Joe is not kind of want to spend so much money you know such expensive wings so you gotta think about that to your hand and really think about
[01:00:12] is it are how they gonna trash it they're gonna probably drag it through the floor you know so you're thinking about everything that it's interesting because I think about give me the best
[01:00:21] performance when you're thinking about table would be the best way for the market so we're looking at two different things but then I'm helping them create a good way and they help put then they're
[01:00:31] getting that wing which I like and that cashier do I can show now so likes and I'll say let's be a few adjustments that will help for the public you know as make it more durable
[01:00:42] let's make it this thing so yeah it's easier for the public okay and so I think it's great not only think about myself but also do think it was the other people want to want and so yeah I
[01:00:55] think it's interesting yeah you definitely is yeah yeah I know that like trying prototypes of anything I think everybody get regardless of how well they are in the wind it's just like
[01:01:08] that's a proto like you get to try that out which is pretty amazing but then also thinking about everybody else getting into this amazing sport and keeping it affordable like that was a really
[01:01:18] good point that you made exactly because not every kid or not every parent is gonna be able to afford to buy four or five thousand dollars with a gear and so if they can do with that way that would
[01:01:29] be definitely it's nice to keep that in mind because there's not a cheap sport to get into no no it's really expensive and if you want top top top gear then the six units and it's great
[01:01:41] because you know also which is come up with that and you mean yeah and I've had a few ghosts in my dad juicing it and it's great you know it's light but not like this is carbon but the great thing
[01:01:52] is that you know you can upgrade to the you can buy the any fun when you want from the range and then when you want to upgrade you like or I feel like I'm going to upgrade to carbon
[01:02:02] master you don't have the buying new fun rings you just plug and go you know and I think it's great that Armstrong was thinking about you know the guys who are just trying to get into the range
[01:02:12] no not like thinking about the guys who already want wait they're thinking about care we think we can make our wings and folds go wait for the beginners so we're gonna make a
[01:02:22] cheap you know we're gonna make it so they can come in they can enjoy it you know they can get addicted to it you know like everyone else everyone loves them and they hop on because it's just so
[01:02:30] easy but so fun then they can move up the ranch you know and they can be up easy they can change they can change that forward then they can change that wing you know they can did slowly at that
[01:02:40] own pace you know I think it's important that every person knows if they want to do it on you know and not spend so much money on it and then think about I'm gonna do it as much as I would but
[01:02:52] what I thought I was gonna do so I think it's important that's very true you know how Armstrong of thought okay I'll amend you cheaper still work rate you know I mean my dad's using
[01:03:03] it and she's 90 kilos some years in broken anything and he's still a hell of a jump and I think it's just great that um they've just made a big hit away you know sure big beginners yeah cash and I briefly talked about it because his dad's learning
[01:03:19] now I think he was gonna take him out for a leg in last time so that's a great concept especially because you can then just swap stuff and keep stuff and and you don't have to completely
[01:03:29] buy new I like that yeah no overall super impressive those guys I love the fact that the team is so happy and energetic and they work hard though oh man did they work hard oh you have to oh yeah I mean
[01:03:43] I mean like it's 12 hour difference and oh I think and I talked them in the morning it's about 10 o'clock at night and they're still at the office you know still doing all the work and
[01:03:56] it just shows that you know armies are very dedicated man you know he will try and do everything to make sure that everyone loves the experience of foil it and I think that's what I
[01:04:05] like about him you know I mean he's that mad man who will that you know they'll try and get everyone onto it and he knows how to do it you know I mean he's just yeah slow about it you know he's like okay
[01:04:14] let's get around to for a knee and let's give them hurts and we know that you know I'm told it's gonna help them get them hurt I feel like it's just like important to have a great manager who
[01:04:24] also falls and wait to that so they understand the feeling because if you think of it if you have a boss who doesn't really know how to do this thing here about marketing only site or the sales site
[01:04:36] that he doesn't understand your feeling he doesn't understand what's happening you know but I feel like if your boss knows when he's saying him when he tries out the pair types when he gets
[01:04:45] like timing when he is all the approved types and working perfect you know I mean then I think it's a really great connection to have because then you can talk about it and you can laugh about it
[01:04:54] and you can say okay these are mistakes man and he understands of island start yeah that's very true it makes it a lot more fun instead of just money money money related like yeah that's that's cool
[01:05:06] well hey I'm happy you're having a really good experience with them and congrats for getting a full sponsor that's amazing so congratulations for that super stoked yeah I would be too
[01:05:18] what's next for this year are you attending as many tour stops as you can what's your game plan for this year because it's just start now well to when if we got quite a lot of events this year
[01:05:29] so listen we've got a busy summer so be training and game events and then hopefully trying to get it America head up do some training there yeah cool when you went to go in there
[01:05:41] about all this we've been trying her coming to the AWS I know how I was showing everything I think I'll be there so on each and so we can meet up yeah yeah okay we just see some
[01:05:53] double backwards for me yeah I'll start working on tomorrow yeah yeah get out and you know get out of it because I want to see them you know quick oh shit people oh shit all what's your goal
[01:06:09] for 2024 competition wise you're gonna go do as many as you can yeah I mean to get to all that hopefully game podium in a I've been pretty close but I just not enough so hopefully this year
[01:06:23] I do a bit better on I'm aiming for podium you know it's always gonna jump to get up on my podium at the end yeah that would be pretty but you're getting close man you're not that far away
[01:06:33] well you know everything's just increasing so it's scary you know you're like you look at a kid who's 12 with the walls in the ball some of the two men are more tender he's just gone crazy
[01:06:43] so I mean but yeah I've always been I'm more shining proof you know help help with my competing strategizer you know make it better and I just want to have fun but also
[01:06:58] you know you get you know I'm always aiming to get in the competitions but always an always enjoying myself you know it's always important to have fun because if you're a have fun then
[01:07:08] you just lose the interest I mean that's what lives of athletes saying sometimes but coaches just push them too hard and they just lose interest because they're not really fun and I think it's always
[01:07:19] important to have fun when you help those bad sessions which everyone has however where everyone has then I think you know it's time you know I feel like if I'm about to say you know I just have fun
[01:07:31] and I slide around catch some waves do some big jumps you know lots of my friends and then you get back to my training you know I mean because I feel like you have me a bad session
[01:07:42] game will first frustrated and I'm thinking then you just make me it was or hopefully so I think you should just they come enjoy a recession because you know yeah we're pretty fortunate
[01:07:54] that we can get to do this right like not everybody has access to gear not everybody is physically capable of doing this some people get hurt really badly and then they can't do this so that's it's
[01:08:06] great attitude to have and it's a really good attitude and things to get out to everybody and just let them know that it's fun first and yeah that's good good motto yeah all right yeah you know I
[01:08:18] mean it's cool that's true alright so podium is your goal this year and anything else you wanted to touch on while you got the while you got the microphone well last year maybe um I'm going
[01:08:30] to be to get into some big waves and get back into the waves you know I have been catching boy I can tell tell me your future because I'm I'm anyway I'm feeling to the waves I think it's
[01:08:40] really important you know things are you know I am put a bit of it is a bit of everything you know a bit of waves freestyle big air because it's cool to have you know so I'm hoping to get some
[01:08:52] big waves and hope you think so better sheets with my teammates you know I'm really hoping to get a sick photo sheet with all those guys and she'll bring you products and yeah I photoshoot so
[01:09:03] really cool with me was friend I will friends and teammates because you know you get to go out on sick locations with a new gear absolutely exciting and pushing each other you know that
[01:09:13] me so I can't wait to go out and I'll first of you we were cash, Zoe are the great team mate team mate riders or I'm sure because I'm I never was going to be sick and they make their videos
[01:09:27] like oh yeah I've seen I've seen some of those and why guess we all do an Instagram but yeah there must be a pretty really fun experience for you guys because you've all fly it
[01:09:36] you were spot together right yeah exactly I'm being one yet but I know it would happen if you took my name it's gonna ring something I don't know it was the rest of my life yeah okay
[01:09:47] you will do that and are you going out on the water today or have you gotten on today? yeah I went up with a lot of the competitive authors a lot of them I see yeah
[01:09:57] all training cards you know but we also have a friendly little chat look laughing the water maybe also train yeah yeah totally the laugh and we get out of the water you know we always laugh
[01:10:10] each other if we talk about new tricks, talk about what's gonna happen in the future you know so yeah I it's you know it's fun because you know it's like as complainant of as people think
[01:10:21] it is we're still friends we're still a dad push you sport together you know it's still still a small sport which could be created to a massive sport you know with a front and
[01:10:32] it could be a massive industry and I think that it can be really really cool if we pull push the sport and shape to see how hard you know how like how big can I really get hmm can
[01:10:45] it be something that's no more for people in it because if you will see it then I get that well fact and because I don't know what it is but I feel like it's a funny if we can
[01:10:54] push it all around social media show people show how interesting it is. In god any conditions I mean I know people who are now going on 16 not two dumb imports or like win the win
[01:11:06] bought yeah which is epic you know people would you know myself like if there were characters or winters you know if they found out that this was happening like 20 years old they'd like no way
[01:11:19] it's not gonna happen but it's true and they have to keep it there and they're doing everything so now let me so yeah definitely it's a it played a huge part in my life it's played a huge
[01:11:32] part in all of our lives and that's part of what we're doing here all of us is just helping more people connect with that fun thing so that they can have a more fun day as well right because we're
[01:11:44] always happier after we've gone out in the water and competition is one side of things but also thinking when you're 90 years old like what are you gonna be doing on the water when you're 90 I'm
[01:11:55] just curious to see what foil's and stuff I'm gonna win army is like 102 still pushing it I'm curious to see what's gonna come out in five years or 10 years but yeah I think she doesn't
[01:12:10] seem like a cruising fog you know I mean soil that you know it's so easy get up I think you know you just jump on the board and it takes off from this at a constant speed but everything
[01:12:21] should be really quickly every you know every brand and it's changing and it's good I like to see when brands are making new things because it pushes every other brand pushes arm show
[01:12:32] due to a cong F1 you know it's great because if no one pushes an industry like brands and it would just be that because now I'm with push fuller new products so it's great that
[01:12:44] there's also a bit of competition in between the brands you know they're all still good friends and they're out because I know that all like I know the managers from doton, s1 and thong and I
[01:12:55] know they chat with every else everyone else is manager and it's cool because they'll do really in high surfing and rinsurfing here and yeah I just think it's important that you know that every brand is pushing and they're just trying to create better things for beginners
[01:13:13] and to get into your new products. Yeah I don't know what's gonna be out next year but hey anyway like I really hope that this contest goes well for you and like your home contest
[01:13:24] I think that's gonna be sick I hope you have a really good time and let us know let's know for those of you out there you got to make sure to watch it but yeah let us know how it goes
[01:13:35] and thanks a lot for taking the time today I know you're busy but hey thanks for taking the time to chat with us today and yeah it was a good time hope you had fun. Yeah well thanks to
[01:13:44] you me it's been a pleasure you know talking with me I'm it's been always interesting you know to spend a lot and I can't wait to see what oh yeah and just looking looking what army comes
[01:13:56] out with and then looking at what everybody else comes out with as well and to begin or stuff is huge right because a little cumbersome and a little difficult a couple years ago but the easier
[01:14:06] and easier it gets we're hoping that everybody who has a sub has a foil too and can just kind of enjoy that flying feeling because that's as close to flying as we're gonna get I think.
[01:14:16] Yeah exactly it's like flying plane I'm just all safe and talking with plane I mean but yeah it's interesting how yeah exactly it's just interesting like how is the weather thing for the
[01:14:27] beginners you know I know it in about two years time it's gonna be crazy we're gonna be listening at things I mean it'd be like how was that impossible to be made I then and then it's
[01:14:39] gonna work perfectly you know it's just gonna break the losses well for those who want to reach out to you or follow you what what's the easiest way for them to get in contact. Well it's great
[01:14:51] again how to win the recession your platforms are quite active so if you've got any questions about gear would I recommend I'll take you back also if you guys have a little tip to I can also
[01:15:03] help you the few tricks I'm hoping you do a few clinics that's awesome yeah so then chat with my social media because yeah maybe I'll be taking some few clinics not sure but you know I want to you know
[01:15:17] help people progress to what if we see these ones they can be super easy with this if you a few media analysis is not a fresh new time you have it too so yeah just you know you know
[01:15:29] the chat's in your Instagram and then we can talk about it and what's up I'm happy to give my advice on cool that's really nice you what's your what's your handle on Instagram it's at
[01:15:38] Zavie thought Xavii dot C OR okay beautiful thanks brother well I'm looking forward to seeing how the event goes and yeah thanks a lot to joining us again yeah coming out another interview like this
[01:15:52] yes all right everybody thanks for joining us and I hope you're enjoying your week