[00:00:00] Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. This week we have Michael Näf and Laura Rudolph joining us. There are Wing Flawling couple from Switzerland that are actively engaged in helping more youth access the sport. You'll often see Raham, A.K. Michael ripping up with balls
[00:00:16] on their local lakes, so I hope you enjoy this episode. Now if you haven't caught Friday's episode, it was the fourth of The Wing Life Show with Gwen, Damien and Myself. On this episode we talked
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[00:01:44] Welcome to the wing life podcast where we talk about wing foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. Alright, it looks like we're rolling. Michi, Michael, Laura, thanks for joining me. Thanks for your time. Yes, yeah, it takes some time but we get it going.
[00:02:10] Yeah, nice to see you. But I know it's a look before I've put it in the interview and yeah, what is interesting about us and what you can talk to the people who will listen us. Yeah, it's I've seen a lot of your stuff especially
[00:02:30] on the lakes. You guys have some considering you're in the Swiss mountains and whatnot. You got some pretty cool systems up there in Switzerland for wing foiling and pump foiling and it's
[00:02:41] crazy to think about that. Oh, yes, we are so many lakes in Switzerland and so many different wing systems. So actually you can foil the wind more or less every day and so you have like
[00:02:56] normal wing systems. How do you have also the crazy food which gets gust until 60, 17 knots and yeah, we have also Westwind Eastwind which brings us some nice rollers for also doing downwinders. So yeah, we have for everything for every condition something to do.
[00:03:17] You know, it's not an it's flat. We can go bump foiling. So there are some days which are flatter close to our lakes. There's not always winds so we go bump foiling and in Switzerland, there's also a really really big community with doing bump foiling. And
[00:03:34] also we have a lot of girls with arguing bump foiling. Oh, that's really nice as well. Yeah, a full community is always fun. And then you got what you got good cheese balls was talking
[00:03:46] about good chocolate. You got good food. Switzerland is a pretty cool spot. My mum went there three, four years ago near Lake. I can't remember the lake's name anyways, but she loved just
[00:03:59] the how friendly people were and it was such a beautiful area. Yeah, I mean in winter time it's always great after you've got really cold hands and cold body to get some fondy in the evening and
[00:04:14] to warm up and fondy is really a Swiss tradition. And yeah, it's a great sentence with cheese. Thanks. Oh yeah, so many different kinds of Swiss cheese. Where are you both born in Switzerland?
[00:04:29] Where where did you grow up? Yeah, I will screw up in Switzerland but I'm not fully Swiss. My mother is from Argentina. So there's a bit of self-blad in each. No, yeah,
[00:04:41] but actually yeah, grew more up here in Switzerland, but my brown castle times I got from my mother side. How younger you both really found like wind sports and water sports for the first time?
[00:04:55] No, no, I was born in 20. I think. Okay, so wind-laid. Yes, we did or started the sport together. I mean it was 20,000, 10,000, to 2010, sorry. And yeah, then we came together and we were searching
[00:05:13] for a sport and we found this wind sport wind falling. And we were sorry, first it was Swiss or we had before in our wind falling. Actually, we were looking for a sport. We were looking
[00:05:26] for a job. So we were actually working for skiing instructor and this is an operating instructor. And then during summer we had no job so we needed to find something. And then we found one person.
[00:05:40] She had a kayak center close to the third and there were like some old wind surf stuff around. And then we started to learn wind surfing with the YouTube videos. Oh, no way. How we got actually into water sport. Yes. We forwarded like, um, I mean our
[00:06:00] wind transition was from October to May. And then we had like some days in summer. And then the wind started again. And now it changed and now we are like over a year on the water. Really. Yeah, that's crazy.
[00:06:15] Like really, yeah, remember then after winter we went or found this kind of club. And then yeah, we saw some really old gear like this 3 meter boards and yeah, so really old sales.
[00:06:31] And we thought that let's try it. We didn't even know how to how to rate a wind surf gear. And then we just started and it was really flat surfing. There was no tension in the in the in the in the surf
[00:06:45] surf say or wind surf say, but somehow we learned as you said with with YouTube and stuff. And yeah, after one month we already used to wind surf a bit of my first chives and tags. And then we thought,
[00:07:00] oh, now we can make also classes for wind surf. And you always started after two months learning to surf and getting classes to other people. So yeah, and so that how we learned our
[00:07:12] or one year back in the days. Oh, that's cool. Wow, you must have progressed pretty quickly that we said we need to learn it then. Good. Like we could just go back and birth. Yeah, maybe a check.
[00:07:26] Most people in the club that they were already getting lessons and people were tired. But yeah, the people didn't know about it. And but somehow they liked it. So we knew like the mental how to give lessons from snowboarding, but in wind surfing, it was a big difference.
[00:07:46] Oh, that's cool. That's a teaching case and more and less. So yeah, it wasn't more about having fun. Yeah, that makes it look like very technical. That makes it look like really little multiple,
[00:07:57] you know, like the five PS fold and we were more chasing if the boats, the kids and those cruising around with the boats. And the kids had already fun just with the boat, you know, they don't have to even go on the water with the wind surfing.
[00:08:13] Notice how did I guess you find wind forlling that? Well, actually started with wind surf foiling. Oh, yeah. Oh, me too. How we got into the foiling? Yeah. Yeah, me too. So I remember
[00:08:27] Paul's came up for a time with this wind foing here. Wind, wind, yeah, wind foing here, not wind foing here and then we went to a lake. There was a really small lake and there he said,
[00:08:40] hey, give a try. Give a try. We tested and it was really like, whoa, that's wobbling here all the time. I mean, I would be concerned, actually, not so bad. So we could drive also do some free
[00:08:50] statistics, but with the foiling was so wobbly everything and then it'll, well, that's going to be the future because it was really likeling about 10 knots and we could start flying in 10 knots and it was super dusty as well and then yeah, we saw while there's potential and disfoiling.
[00:09:11] Yeah, then we were actually me balls and Laura and Dave are the first people who tried this foiling in Switzerland. And so yeah, it's really, we got got addicted to go as light wind as possible
[00:09:29] with this gear and yeah, it was probably one year we were using wind foiling. Yeah, and then we saw this wind foiling stuff. So it was in silver plaza and certainly were laughing about about the stuff like what is this like the wind and they were with
[00:09:50] something with the sub there not even with the with the foiling and the foilingers who were there with the wind and they are super slowly, they were back then fast, if the wind surfed, and then we
[00:10:03] thought like, oh that's that's sparring it's so slowly and yeah, so at the beginning we were more laughing about it. I don't know how you actually first time in contact was also civil plaza.
[00:10:17] Yeah, and then we saw balls trying as well this the skier in the water and he went crazy already at the first day note and you tried to make some air tribes like
[00:10:29] the old winds of tricks he did already he tried all the wing and with the big board then like really the wind foiled board but it worked and yeah somehow I give a try as well and
[00:10:45] remember it was in our like close to our city and at the first day I only tried to jump like could even land a 360 fly through and that was really crazy like that feeling gave me the way
[00:11:00] oh okay I have to go further with this board. Oh wow that's pretty cool so you guys progress like you progress pretty quickly then yeah I mean we got the knowledge from foiling from wind foiling
[00:11:14] so it was not a big step to learn wind foiling. Foiling is the same so it was just you need to get used to this wing thing and it was a bit weird in the beginning because he had like no mask then
[00:11:28] it felt a bit of body but it was also not very very fun the first time we didn't think wouldn't say well and with we started actually with a wind surf board and the wind
[00:11:42] yeah it was weird yes I'm not first yeah my first last was like well we turned on and my mask was also the beginning 90 centimeter so it was right I was the only guy probably
[00:11:55] there's such a long foam splash yeah everybody was the most thing at me because I had such a long booth and I was even freestyling with him because yeah with the long foam splash you get
[00:12:06] a lot of lift and you could roll off crazy height by jumping and yeah there was so much fun in the beginning because yeah I could not afford with back in a days and a newer foil and so a
[00:12:19] estate online wind foiling here and try this tricks 50 speed foils that up right yeah it's work I mean yeah yeah so my first 360 and I was disfoiling so super happy yeah it then soon the first competition started in civil plan I remember there was the first GW
[00:12:45] A competition actually it was in civil plan and yeah it was so much fun like hanging whilst there are balls and some other guys and we had our first race curves is there because
[00:13:00] there was not enough wind to breath please stand in because civil plan can be sometimes catchy with the wind so we had like two boys and yeah we started first time racing and I remember
[00:13:12] any nockels racing there or toe side because it couldn't go racing normal stands so that was fun you know it was really the beginning of the sport and seeing the progression from from where we are now
[00:13:27] level is crazy yeah it's not often that you see something like a sport that you get to see the progression from start to growth that actually takes off because there's a lot of things
[00:13:39] that start and they fizzle out or that don't get adopted worldwide and I'm curious to see where this sport goes but it's really neat because everybody has their own like origin story of where they
[00:13:52] were and I think it's pretty fascinating yeah it's really and actually by the lot of discussion about is it really growing this windfoy thing or not and you were like from day one it told me
[00:14:07] this will be the future of our sport instead but now we're gonna be on a lot of friends they got into like the water sport just because of windfoy or profiling so they actually they never did
[00:14:23] kind surfing or wind surfing yeah I actually I didn't believe that people would start only windfoying yeah that was surprised it was super complicated but it's surprisingly yeah actually this is super easy compared to like wind surfing or kayaking I mean you have way
[00:14:41] smaller gear not that the beginning but in the ending we'll have smaller gear it just can pump it up you have it in the hand you don't have to please don't have to take care about lines
[00:14:53] you don't need a lot of space so it's a super easy sport to enter in the water sport it just surprised me because like wind surfing and kayaking you have that a bit of speed and adrenaline
[00:15:09] and like you get a bit of grunt going and that's what you get going wind surfing and kayding for the most part right but then windfoyling is a little bit different because you can enter it and
[00:15:18] just kind of cruise around and look around and it took it took a while for that sport like three four years for me to take it in some slightly bigger swell and be able to surf and then start
[00:15:30] to mimic the feeling and the feeling it would make me feel compared to wind surfing because I just loved it so much like there's no way this sport is going to compete I'll do it in light wind
[00:15:40] and but now that we're starting to get more surfing and more swell riding and then it's like oh this is a this is different like did you feel the same way with windfoyling when you started like you
[00:15:50] still loved the wind surfing aspect of things and that was your thing but then it's slowly kind of trickle door do you still love both I think we like before we did only the wind surf for it so
[00:16:04] we were point used to boiling but when the wind surf came up it was I mean it was so fascinating that you could fly over the water and the feeling at the first time you had the feeling it's
[00:16:16] crazy you cannot believe it because there's like no sound that it's like just silent and you fly over the surface so I mean actually no I never ever missed the feeling okay okay okay all right
[00:16:32] I was I felt in love that and I I really loved the the this light wind on my hands this was the perfect match because in wind surf boiling it was always a bit struggling with the
[00:16:47] sand heavy and like carrying all the stuff to the beach and I took it most in two parts because the thing was too big to carrying one so the wind was just like perfect
[00:17:00] that's true actually it's a marriage of all good things I agree yeah all right so what were your first freestyle moves that you both got so I was really the 360 so it was really from the first day
[00:17:18] I tried to 360 I already landed and yeah I thought well when this is the star toy it's gonna end and you know how it's ended or not yet ended but oh we are already now we're at double back
[00:17:31] steps now like christ just like this for stumbles and that seriously what I guess is going to be doubles with rotations I'm assuming yeah combinations and stuff for sure definitely it's
[00:17:44] for the you know at one day you gotta be like this for sure and the combos for the popping out the water now we have two three times for sure at one day there's gonna be five
[00:17:55] six times popping out the water and yeah there will be a double-locking if the gear and and also to people they're progressing so quick so yeah thanks or in the future we will see super
[00:18:10] crazy combos I mean that's gonna be for sort of future see also already in this chair so you know this chair for chairs they were all ready doing this crazy combo ones like one after the
[00:18:21] other and they do it sometimes ten times I pull pull back it back to backflip and yeah for going when falling it's gonna be the same just crazy stuff yeah that's really crazy so you both did
[00:18:37] you both compete for a little bit like how did you get started with Anzis and and working with them yeah it started already quite early for years ago when when wiggling got addicted for me
[00:18:52] new balls already from wind falling and he wasn't called tank to Vansis and so it was quite clear for him that I have to join also Nsis and yeah then I get in contact with Nsis and they said
[00:19:09] like oh pretty cool yeah super nice you have already a lot of progression in in wind falling so we see also potentially wind falling and then the ice the star had also competing in all their
[00:19:23] competition not only in Switzerland they went also to proceed or Spain and yeah that was really nice experience it was during Covid and nobody could travel but there with this allowance having like a full division you could fly to easily to Brazil and there was actually my first
[00:19:45] competition out of Europe I would say and it was a really nice experience because for me it was also first and winning in the waves oh yeah that was super nice I remember there we were with balls
[00:20:00] Miso was also there and we were first then doing downwinds and me and balls yet really too big for us actually for doing downwinds and we always got suited out the water because we had
[00:20:14] too much lift and could not handle it and luckily we had all this this leash is back in the days to stay close to the board yeah it was really crazy experience for me as well doing first time
[00:20:28] a downwind they're there with the foi and then we had also the competition and it was like this sort of freestyle competition and it was really nice to see the first time the crazy guys
[00:20:43] from all the countries like Tikton was also there and it was really at the beginning one of the best doing for there in the world and I think it is here he was got a world champion and yeah already
[00:20:59] daring in the competition we learned new tricks to value competition and that was really crazy to see the progression even in the competition side yeah it's insane how how much is progress but
[00:21:14] Brazil was at your first time both of you got together yeah for me it was the first time probably ballspotter already Laura you haven't been now fair okay yeah how how is that culture different obviously way different than where you're both from well for me was was really
[00:21:34] dropping at the beginning I mean people are grabbing truth Brazil and you saw people who don't have a lot you know they were sitting at the street and bad thing for food and yeah it was really crazy
[00:21:51] like the scenario from from Switzerland to such a country yeah well it may my work be feeling a bit and yeah it's like you're going there having everything and just going
[00:22:07] there for competition and you were flying just there for this competition and yeah it's a bit sad to see them this this poor people but on the other hand it was really worth for this sport
[00:22:23] because we meet each other there and and we learned a lot we started competition side of wing 40 and yeah it was great interesting as well for us yeah yeah it's always a kind of a double
[00:22:37] edge thing in developing countries when you go and like I spent three four months in Laventana Mexico I just got home not that long ago Laventana is a beautiful place but it's it's the same thing the
[00:22:51] locals there are very poor they don't make hardly any money but they wave when you walk so I would go to the gym sometimes at 6 a.m. and you'll have all the guys and back a pitch
[00:23:03] of trucks all with their masks it obviously it's going to be sandy and windy everybody waves at you meanwhile back in Canada nobody waves and these guys are working six to seven days away
[00:23:14] can the ladies too in stores and they're making I think they have to have three or four people making enough money to pay rent like it's unbelievable how much it is and but they're so friendly
[00:23:28] and they dress well they're nice and I find their attachments to consumerism or a lot lower like it's not who they are is not based on money and things which is what we in the West
[00:23:42] kind of culture have been indoctrinated like if you don't have a nice house in a nice car like forget it but it's not it's very different there and but yeah so that's one thing I saw definitely
[00:23:53] but coming from so what are both of your backgrounds and like what do you do with ensues? yeah me I'm also part of the developing team for ensues okay so I'm helping to double
[00:24:09] the wings the boards the boys we test the lot together with bolts and also Laura I mean it's really important to have also the influence of the feeling for women's because we have also
[00:24:25] kind of ensues is really pushing our development part and I would say like 50% of the team are at this our moment in our in-a-intice so it's really we are focusing also on women's skills
[00:24:41] we get a moment for women competing then men yeah at the moment there yeah that's cool please but we also have like I mean our false is a woman as well so like to count on
[00:24:58] kind of and cutting but then you feel that you feel the passion of the folks of women inside love very then yeah very important for her so to support women's sport that's good so it's also
[00:25:14] important to listen what they like to write and kind of wings and forwards so we try to get everything for everyone and kids as well right like the kids is with the kids seen there like I know
[00:25:30] you're working on a project right now but like when I had Carl on the show he did mention and push a lot into the to the youth development and that you guys were doing a lot over there for that
[00:25:44] what we're we're I mean already three years ago we have a small small wing like one point eight so we were one of the first brand to add such a small wing and for Rossi was important that small
[00:25:59] kids can dry on a little or small year to get feeling of a wing and how does it feel when it's in there's wind and also small wing feels lighter and the size of the wing is also
[00:26:12] small and here for one point eight so you could play around already with a young age with this green and is there an association over there as well for for kids yeah like the for Mania you
[00:26:28] like a project we build up together with some other and like the distance with someone we saw that there's no place for for a addicted kids where they can meet and like join or like go to the
[00:26:43] water altogether and have fun and learn some new stuff because they they learn a lot from each other so we saw like on every spot we saw some kids for a leg but like our dream was to bring them all together
[00:26:56] and that's what we are working on now and in terms of not that big so actually it's possible like that we meet at one leg and spend some time and our member the first thing was like connecting
[00:27:11] also the different sports like wind surf being wind boiling and wind falling so our first project was actually a one hour our member there was like one hour and two boys and you have to
[00:27:25] make as many rounds as possible and there could everybody could be part of it like the wind surface being for the wind spoiler and yeah in the end just just the how many times you could go around
[00:27:41] the boys in one hour and so everybody joined this competition the idea and there was a little price-curving and everybody had fun and yeah it was really nice to see actually the whole water sport
[00:27:55] was yeah starting with for my youth and this one hour challenge yeah I was really interested so what was your member what the best number was? how many laps? it's hard to say I mean I can't remember because I couldn't count myself and didn't end that it listened
[00:28:19] and it was always different because sometimes there was in this hour knowing in between and then yeah you had to pump yourself yeah I lost swimming also around the boy I remember
[00:28:32] like oh I got this little get this point and then it was swimming around the boy and yeah it was was fun to see like you saw at the beginning of the wind spoiler with the big says we're always the
[00:28:45] but now in the end we could always close it together and yeah the wind spoiler can easily compete also against the wind spoiler yeah that's cool yeah that's cool so then that was the beginning of it and where did it progress from there? actually now we're burned to
[00:29:02] pump falling it because that was the chance because ultimately we were at the lake and there was no wind and we were like we're going to do one hour and then we started with the pump falling
[00:29:14] challenge and then like at the moment we have a pump falling board across being rented like with a limbo you need to go under and then turning at the boy and stuff like this and it's always
[00:29:27] in and you compete in a team so it's a team challenge most of the time it's three people starting like a relay so yeah yeah yeah yeah cool yeah yeah yeah so like it's really you have
[00:29:40] four minutes time and you have to do as many laps as possible and so you start with one guy he makes one lap if you have enough power you can make a second lap if not if he's ball it is
[00:29:55] friend or team body can make the run and you just do it four four minutes and in the end you count the laps and yeah who the guy or the team with the most points or laps won't the competition
[00:30:11] and it's really nice to have this kind of competition because we're not having always the same team so we there sometimes just have a weird or random team and it's maybe sometimes one guy is
[00:30:27] a super good pump or one is just started pumping so it's also a mix from really experts to beginner and yeah it makes a kind of community out of it that's really fun oh and what are the
[00:30:39] ages of kids that take part but we also had the one camp there was a six year old really oh wow and they started pop-foiling it was fun oh yeah because you can just hold this little kit
[00:30:59] on the board and I mean compare to my way it would be like double the size of the wing I'm using now or for that using now and you can just hold it on the board and just pushing it forward and
[00:31:11] he's just gliding and this is the magic and he's like oh it was really just gliding forward forward and that's really fun and they get in contact with with first time flying actually you know it's not
[00:31:25] just being on the water it's really a feeling of flying over the water no nobody can say today he can fly so close over the water because it's only possible with the foam that's true it's as close to superman as we're ever gonna get I think yeah yeah
[00:31:48] being on the ground and I'm flying anyway yeah nice well that's a pretty good project then that you're working on bringing in because kids were not as much getting into win surfing
[00:31:59] because it was so challenging and heavy and then citing on the attracts a certain group of people like we were saying so it's really cool to see that progression and even when I have Tom from the
[00:32:09] GWA on the show they said there's so much in these studies so happy to see this huge explosion now the only thing is cost getting into it is a bit more expensive but um I think the more
[00:32:23] use gear we get and the better the use gear we get I think it's going to be easier to get into but maybe that's a good tie-in as to see how do you have you seen the progression of gear at
[00:32:33] end-as and what specifically have you both been working on kind of thing I guess you've been working on everything you were saying yeah yeah yeah yeah it's really really I mean it's perfect
[00:32:44] for developing for us I mean we are always in contact with the kids anyway in the water for in falling winning and giving them the gear to try and giving a big bank it's really important
[00:32:57] for us to give to them a lot and yeah sometimes they say well it's super powerful so we need to make the decision to make a win which is less powerful for little kids or yeah in thumb falling
[00:33:12] it's always the thing like all their super sharp edges and when you fall you fall on the on the the tips so we need to think also how to make a fall which is not hurting many fall and yeah it's always
[00:33:29] yeah what we see from people in the water or from kids in the water how we want to develop our further or future gear because testing is not easy it's very very technical and like
[00:33:45] yeah yeah it's super technical I mean especially in foil it's well you can change so much things you know like this stabilizer angle you can make the food's not longer shorter you can
[00:34:00] change the mass position and there's so many ways how you can change something so in the end I couldn't remember how about I changed actually so I need to not make notes every time I made
[00:34:12] something different to to to remember what I actually did yeah that makes me it's also different this like the style of writing like because sometimes we choose like oh this is the perfect setup
[00:34:25] and I'm like no you know it's not right and then I start to change it's really it's so different to the people who are writing this set up makes a huge difference because everyone is like some
[00:34:39] some people they prefer big wings smaller boys some like just different smaller wings in the hand that bigger boys I'm in need so even there we're like yes it's really important to
[00:34:52] feedback from other people so something will come good for me is not always good for her or someone else and for me it's always testing it's not testing all of me so now like to give the people
[00:35:05] the gear to test and give a feedback from them and as more I can give this gear to someone else it test whether it's the feedback to give to my boss and just say hey this is what we should do and then yeah
[00:35:21] that's really a hard way it's always a progress and yeah and you're an engineer by trade is that where you said before yeah but more in building technology okay for ventilation and stuff oh
[00:35:35] okay so it's not especially boyly sign you know none of that okay can no it's not really for this hand but I have a background in science so I understand always the thing of developing something
[00:35:48] and yeah it's really interesting and also here in Switzerland we have possibility to do sign wings so we have our design one of our designers in Switzerland and he can
[00:36:04] or make in in a week a wing that we can go just in the week in the water and testing new new new gear that's really interesting to have someone close close to my spot who can design wings
[00:36:20] and just go out all the way and testing and so on spot kind of thing and just pumped out product photos and then you can go test them oh that's exciting yeah that's really nice we can
[00:36:33] give a feedback and then in the during the night you change the stuff and then the next day we can go test the guide so okay that's really nice because I need a bit more tension there and then
[00:36:46] Patrick the guys just all okay let me think and he's thinking in the evening and and then yeah he goes to the office and let's take something together and then next day we can test it
[00:36:57] and that's really a really advantage for us yeah what's your background in Laura and it's just got a different amount of your action oh no I okay there's been a lot of time
[00:37:11] and the office not really the same thing than being on the water but I can have about with writing text actually for instance okay that's a bit like the thing I can give you back to them
[00:37:28] but still like critical thinking like like both of your degrees and both of your professions require certain level of analyzing critical thinking and like doing things through steps so I think that could only help when you're entering into the product development testing phase
[00:37:44] because it's not a global it's like you I always think you would have to break it down a little bit right yeah it's really analyzing thinking we have somehow learned in this school I mean you know
[00:37:57] his approach is also in bringing but just there it goes faster you know that's crazy like in in the school or in working it's like you have one of your time to develop and and here
[00:38:08] in winning is just one month since yeah it's a really quick and it's another another process I'll do a lot like in the high school or or he was in this and yeah that's I think
[00:38:22] one of the main differences more one part is more science and the other part is more trying it or yeah because you have the competitive angle I guess without a bunch of other companies
[00:38:33] doing things as well right and then trying to maintain a minimal client base just to make sure bills get paid for everybody and because the win world I was told was one of the more difficult and competitive from sales managers perspectives because the pool of people was smaller
[00:38:50] do you see it growing like have you seen a bigger growth of people obviously into win sports and Switzerland because of this that weren't doing the other two so you think it's going to keep
[00:39:00] growing or do you think it'll eventually cap I need to be talking about win falling I'm pretty sure it's growing so I'm really I see already younger kids starting trying to win for and I see
[00:39:17] how we will keep this people into this sport and also now some people started bombard falling and now they think all let's try win falling as well and so I think the whole the whole
[00:39:32] win for a community is growing and yeah even now we had this week kind of a pan where we're developing a way out to to learn people win falling so that's from youth and sports
[00:39:51] and association this is a kind of the goal of this youth and sport association is to bring kids to sports and before it was just win surfing and now we started it also with win falling
[00:40:10] and this week we had a whole or every day we were thinking of how we can teach win falling to kids it's a different way than you what's the name we WDS doing it I know you know this school center it's a center where they're giving lessons
[00:40:36] and for win falling but there's another mindset from this youth and sport association they want to just give the kids the fun factor and that's how we want to give and now this fun factor in win falling having fun in the water just with the win
[00:40:58] they don't have to even fall already in the beginning but they just have to have fun in the water with the win somehow and if there is no win you can also start bombard falling now before
[00:41:11] falling it was like kind of crime or for youth and sport association they were scared about this boy thing because they they didn't want to support falling but now where we were talking about it with the if the association they thought okay it's gonna be could be great
[00:41:36] fun falling is similar like skateboarding or stuff like this and you can protect yourself somehow that you're not getting hurt I mean it was a big discussion also like what are you using
[00:41:50] for protection like a helmet the impact vest shoes and stuff and also the way how you learn or giving the people to introduction how to do fun falling is really important so
[00:42:05] always holding the board and stuff that you don't fall to the point and there was even a discussion like all we have also to take attention with the industry where to have to demo
[00:42:17] a lot this voice like the voice has not to be a good part and stuff so it's a real discussion to that the sport being falling I was saying got that sport that sport and
[00:42:37] so this will support it by the community because youth and sport community that's cool actually yeah I haven't heard of that in very many other places yet but so pump falling is massive over there
[00:42:54] yeah even though how cold are the lakes that you're normally playing in is it 65 is it 85 is it 10-5 yeah at the moment they surround safety in degrees but you know you can tell you you
[00:43:10] get around five or four degrees then it's still freezing yeah and then it just the cracks yeah you can get orange yeah okay before I mean civil planer next week I will go to civil
[00:43:28] planer and for sure the water there is way colder I would I think it's around 10 degrees so we need already you still need food and stuff yeah so we have really a wide temperature difference
[00:43:43] very you are so I mean civil planer is 1,800 meter high so yeah last week it was snowing there so they started actually the summer but the summer started to snow there so yeah it's a crazy thing
[00:44:01] but yeah you can protect you with good weather it's a good protection gloves nice shoes okay all right so you're going there next week is that for a competition or yes we have like NCSTM event and there's this rainfall racing event and there will be also the best
[00:44:24] of three competition where it's wind-foiling and kite-foiling part of this part of this competition and the goal is like also with a team you compete together and the best of three will win
[00:44:44] this competition so that's going to be interesting too we had this last year the first time and it was really nice to see to compete like there was the kite-to-wind boiler and the windfoiling together in one competition and the chances were like yeah checking like the style
[00:45:05] then the height and also the demand you were so difficult they were and in the end they managed to make points for these tricks and for this hotel and yeah in the end you have the best of
[00:45:24] three of these sport and this sports yeah that's really interesting competition oh that'll be fun so there are quite a few competitions at In Switzerland in that kind of general area there see the plana yes there is always this windfoiling racing the last two years
[00:45:46] there are around 40 to 60 competitors so that's mainly in in June and there is also the maraton which is in August and it's also a really nice competition the everybody can take part of
[00:46:05] it like wind surface wing for the fighters and you just make 42 kilometer runs so we go like probably three times around the lake I can remember how many times but it's like the goal upwind downwind
[00:46:21] upwind downwind and yeah the first who made this maraton wind the competition and they said yeah at the moment always the kite wind and yeah then the windfoiling the windfoiling and then the windfoiling but let's see if it's changing somehow
[00:46:40] yeah so people doing also with wind surfing but then it's super hard because they cannot go really crosswinds or or upwind so yeah takes a bit longer with the wind surfing and so people taking
[00:46:54] the old wind surf here enough the wind all the ones yeah so it's really fun to watch yeah oh nice it's kind of like fan with style camping kind of thing at the lakes yeah yeah it's really nice that you just close to the lake there's a camping
[00:47:14] you just go there and you don't need to make a reservation just look if there's space and you find a really nice spot in front of the lake and the nice mountains and yeah always
[00:47:27] you see a bit of snow in the mountain it's really stunning this place and yeah it's a really sportive place silver plana because you can go skating they do you can go snowboarding down hill biking
[00:47:42] yeah it's really a place where you can do everything and yeah it's really nice there many cows and bells sorry just cows with bells yes there is a wind there's a solar rans moving and do you know why they have bells in Switzerland just a random question
[00:48:04] i think it's tradition is it okay that's a good thing i never thought about why i mean like what they do in summer they go in the mountains and they spend like a whole
[00:48:16] month summer in the mountains with the cows and when they come down in autumn they really put the bears on the cows and also some nice stuff on the head and it's like a typical Swiss tradition
[00:48:32] like then the farmers come come down with all their cows and animals and people go and watch it's like a ceremony and it's like actually it's like celebrating a bit the end of summer
[00:48:46] so they only wear them at a specific time of year it's not all year round some of them are very good and like or oh yeah i don't know but it's more i think it's more made for like traditional thing that's cool
[00:49:02] yeah it is very windy oh that's cool yeah i'm just curious yeah that's all back to the real party but that's fun but what do you think is coming next in development on both the guys in the
[00:49:22] lady side from Anzis that you see that would be something exciting to talk about we really this year's the year again of developing so last year was a little break but this year
[00:49:34] it was a lot of work i mean that was the last two months it was more like every second day in the water testing some new stuff so they're coming new forest new wings
[00:49:46] and i'm super stoked to be part of it and and having this great opportunity to test this new wings and i'm really looking forward to bring this to the people yeah nice is it the same kind of
[00:50:02] progression that we're seeing is there anything new that maybe you can't talk about but you can say something new in cool's coming or is it just slowly refining and bringing in more variability yeah
[00:50:14] it is there are some alter materials we are using and alter technology how to connect something but uh more actually let's say yeah that's okay you have your legal department right there so she's
[00:50:30] can't say the truth yeah yeah he's always saying i'm not telling too much now just a simple no no no i mean we we like to give the people also in sight sometimes of new stuff i mean
[00:50:48] when social media we're not adding everything so people are always asking oh what's going on and it's actually good to see that people see it you know that something is gonna happen and it's also important that they think of there's coming something new and that's
[00:51:08] really important also for for for customers that they see that yeah that's true something new and exciting to add to their kit or something that's gonna make their life easier or lighter or stronger wind or because i've seen some of your like the videos and whatnot there's like 60
[00:51:27] some knots and stuff flying into it and that's insane like there's been some pretty crazy videos coming out of there with uh remember like this year it was really crazy you have a
[00:51:42] beginning of April up in very second of third day this food and this food it was blowing really strong i mean 60s and 70 knots we hanged and they've had maybe airy bif to 10 years
[00:52:01] something around this and um yeah it's crazy how long you can hold on this on this wing but it's so strong i mean you can always open the wing and you don't feel the power anymore and you use
[00:52:16] the waves instead of the wing so that's really crazy and the other thing which is crazy i remember it was the first time i was open my mouth why it's brighty and it made this kind of noise you know
[00:52:30] like when you if you were blowing in the bottom you'd be like it was blowing in my mouth and i was going on the way like oh i was making this crazy sound so that was my first time and
[00:52:42] sometimes it couldn't even breathe anymore because like in there it's right here it's you have always to watch Darwin that you can actually breathe instead of watching awkward yeah yeah really a crazy feeling hunt yeah it was always flying water everywhere
[00:52:58] so we cannot see a lot so it was just flying water and we did also some gum when they're then because then we have really nice waves and um yeah it was super crazy how big does
[00:53:11] this well get in on a wind swell and those legs yeah it's not like good river but uh that's still i mean in fun it's not so big of the lake it's it's a bit small but you can reach around
[00:53:26] one to one and a half meter and in in lake night nine book there is probably bigger as well than we got there thirty thirty five knots we will have like for sure two and a half meters it's
[00:53:40] possible so as you get the foredown winding is really a perfect place and ever had such a nice feeling of downwinding even in in the ocean open ocean there's not that's well like it's really
[00:53:54] close you have only one direction and uh you can just serve one way you know for all the whole way and that's that's really crazy it's just one big wave and you can go like 10 15 kilometers down down down this huge mountain and um yeah it's really really something
[00:54:16] special in such an an able to say oh nice so what's your favorite for the both of you wing-foiling pump foiling or downwinding or is it just based on conditions? based on conditions I would say it's actually good to have everything so there's always something
[00:54:35] to do on a water that's really crazy as a landlocked guy here in Switzerland now surfing waves it's really really an unexpected feeling I had before I mean I never thought about the surf's waves it's Switzerland and now we can do it and and that's really some
[00:54:58] expression and that's the reason at the moment I really liked it to downwinders so it's never had this feeling before surfing wave after wave and if I can go downwind funny I go downwind
[00:55:14] but maybe then I just make one wrong and in the second wrong or second opportunity I choose wing-foiling and go freestyling a bit and yeah and if there's no wind I go bump-point
[00:55:29] so that's my decision how I choose that right set up yeah oh no so there's always I guess you can be on the water almost daily then yeah wow wow sometimes when there's one we can go wind around and it's bump-pointing but then at
[00:55:49] certain time you get bored but yeah there's then another day where with this coming and you will have fun again which is cool that's cool so any trips for you Laura any competitions
[00:56:03] coming up for you like are you both going to a solo plan to come up and I would try for the weekend only because I need to go back to work okay and then like one week off now so
[00:56:14] again of managed to spend like the next week so we can still plan up and I will be there for the weekend if there's a wind I will join competition okay but it depends if they if they like
[00:56:28] say I have a competition going or not sometimes I'm too late okay yeah at the problem is the wave looks really not so good yet and one day it used to Wednesday like really bad weather and
[00:56:41] cold in the night we were around four degrees so it's gonna be freezing and yeah let's see I hope the weather changes a bit instead yeah we go go bump-pointing or skatey there has also
[00:56:57] real ice skate skate crabs and also trampolines to jump a bit so sometimes you go jump ping with the wing in the trampoline that's also really nice yeah there's always something to do
[00:57:12] in single plan so you'll not get bored stairs what's your camping setup like we have a big one okay yeah it's around six meter and with a deep thing as well so it's very nice
[00:57:27] okay we tested already in minus 20 degrees so three years ago we were in two single plan in the winter and even in minus 20 degrees it can heat up our our van and yeah we build it at our own and yeah
[00:57:45] we have a fridge and we have a big storage for our gear I mean now you need to have everything downing board before it'll be full and yeah those stuff for us both so our garage or our storage
[00:58:00] is full of our air you don't know that's fine now that's fine let's find the be able to do that as a couple yeah yeah but before we were actually with the tent we spent several years with the tent in
[00:58:13] Zilla Plano and the first time we went there we didn't actually think about the cold and then that we were freezing and then we were like sleeping in the board bag and I could hope it's
[00:58:26] safe and then yeah but from year to year like our equipment could better on bed yeah it's possible also in a tent we need to run the heat direction as long as not raining I mean I remember one
[00:58:39] day we were there it was raining a lot and we had an inflatable tent you know and then our inside of the tent had a hole so our tent was really falling down and the water went inside
[00:58:53] they had really like water like this in the tent and it was horrible like really then we went sleeping the campsite they had a little house so we could sleep over there then like a part two yeah
[00:59:05] kind of four-year-old so we had some soap and TV and then we spent there yeah no vans or pans or lifestyle forget it we're getting the heater make marshmallows inside we're done
[00:59:24] kind of this one yeah yeah that was perfect I mean now we're super happy if all we're going and no oh that's cool nice is there anything else you wanted to touch on today to put out to the
[00:59:37] to the world um no I think we were talking a lot and I'm really thankful to give this information to the world somehow and yeah I'm super happy that I can share always the water time also
[00:59:56] Flora yeah I mean not everybody can say they have a girlfriend is doing the same sport and passion and that's for me really important that we came here if you had this passion and thank you fun together
[01:00:12] course we wouldn't have much time yeah we would do different sports I think I wouldn't see that's true she'd see another big Swiss man oh yeah probably yeah no that is nice though like
[01:00:34] it's it's starting to develop more and more here I guess Canada in the US like there's more and more couples doing fun sports together and activities together and then you'll see when
[01:00:45] we have some younger athletes on it's always their dad or their mom the taught them and now they're in the GW and it's they're really cool stories of families who have done this together and have
[01:00:56] grown together and I think it's an awesome past time like there's way way worse things that you could be spending your time doing and it's amazing that these are all bringing us to a kind of a place of
[01:01:09] spending time together parents are really important I think for the youth as well I mean they couldn't travel without parents so it's really really cool that some parents like I know
[01:01:20] need a with the parents they were telling all the time we saw them trying together or also in our camps they have parents did do everything for the kids and yeah that's really they are really
[01:01:32] passionate and doing everything for the kids and that's really important in such a sport which is not regular I mean the wind system can change so quick and yeah but the parents don't
[01:01:46] neither just follow what the kids want to do that's very nice so if there's any kids out there looking to join some of your camps or anybody looking to get in touch with you is what what's your
[01:01:58] website or Instagram or that kind of thing yeah I mean in contact you can get with me before I have on point MCL and yeah Laura it's Laura I've been stood around and you can get in contact
[01:02:14] if I'm on point mania there is a written email address of us and yeah you will find us also Facebook and it's not online but for sure or the water it sounds good if I ever make it out to Switzerland
[01:02:32] which I would like to have to reach out we go for a session that would be fun for sure and then so many things come to Switzerland yeah for the oldie and yeah can jump to this well
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