Episode #65 -Brandon Scheid

[00:00:00] [SPEAKER_00]: Hey everyone, welcome back to the show. This week we have Brandon Scheid joining us. Brandon is a

[00:00:06] [SPEAKER_00]: pro kiteboarder turned wing designer that lives in Hood River, Oregon with his wife, fellow pro

[00:00:11] [SPEAKER_00]: kiteboarder Sensi Graves. On this episode we talk about Brandon's near fatal accident,

[00:00:17] [SPEAKER_00]: his recovery process, the love and support Sensi and Brandon receive from around the world

[00:00:22] [SPEAKER_00]: their new baby and then we deep dive into the pairwing and touch on AWSI 2024. I hope you

[00:00:30] [SPEAKER_00]: enjoy this one. If you haven't caught last week's episode it was with Rémy Finelle from Forward

[00:00:37] [SPEAKER_00]: Whip. Together we deep dove into the world of protecting ourselves in the water, we introduced

[00:00:42] [SPEAKER_00]: his company, popular products and delved into product creation, design and much more. Keep an

[00:00:50] [SPEAKER_00]: eye on your Instagram. Our Forward Whip giveaway just started so hop over to our Instagram at

[00:00:57] [SPEAKER_00]: Wing Life Podcast to take part and get the chance to potentially win some amazing products from

[00:01:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Whip. Now I want to take this opportunity to thank our team for making the show a reality.

[00:01:09] [SPEAKER_00]: We have Frank that helps with consulting, we have Matthias on guest relations, we have Stefan

[00:01:14] [SPEAKER_00]: on editing. A big thank you as a lot of work goes into every episode and we couldn't do it

[00:01:19] [SPEAKER_00]: without you guys. Next I'd like to give a big thank you to North Foils, they are our first

[00:01:24] [SPEAKER_00]: official sponsor and I was finally able to get on as I mentioned last time their SF series of

[00:01:31] [SPEAKER_00]: wings. I'm riding the 1230 and the 830 so far loving them so stay tuned for more information

[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_00]: about that when I'll be riding from La Ventana Mexico this winter. Lastly winter is coming

[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_00]: and if you haven't decided where to go yet comment out to La Ventana Mexico. I'll be giving some

[00:01:50] [SPEAKER_00]: wing foil lessons, some beginner lessons, some intermediate lessons so if you're looking

[00:01:56] [SPEAKER_00]: to improve your skills or learn this sport for the first time hop over to winglifepodcast.com

[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and just send us a note or send us an email and we could look at getting you out to Mexico

[00:02:09] [SPEAKER_00]: to get some lessons with me. Now I hope you enjoy this episode.

[00:02:21] [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wing Life Podcast where we talk about wing foiling and the lifestyles of those

[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: who enjoy this great sport. I love when you find those like you throw a shock out of someone

[00:02:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like a weird thing happens. You never know. I find those so much in Skype and stuff people

[00:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: love like I make balloons go off. It's always the weirdest thing. I bet Peace does one. Peace

[00:02:50] [SPEAKER_00]: usually does one too. Oh balloons. Well hey man welcome to the show thanks for taking the time.

[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah thought I'd introduce myself with some fireworks.

[00:03:03] [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah why not that's a good intro to the podcast actually. Yeah why not.

[00:03:08] [SPEAKER_00]: Well hey like I know you've had quite the year. I'm happy that we're able to have this

[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_00]: conversation. Congratulations on being a new dad and just thankful that you're here and

[00:03:16] [SPEAKER_00]: that you're able to get back on the water and everything. Well thank you so much yeah

[00:03:20] [SPEAKER_01]: it has been an insane journey. A lot of the doctors use the term miraculous. I don't

[00:03:26] [SPEAKER_01]: necessarily feel that that's like in line with what's going on but the path of healing

[00:03:30] [SPEAKER_01]: from what should be a devastating like and people die from accidents like this. So like

[00:03:36] [SPEAKER_01]: to be able to go to the hatchery and like wing with my wife and have the baby and all

[00:03:40] [SPEAKER_01]: like we've done this year has been insane. It's been an emotional roller coaster like crazy

[00:03:45] [SPEAKER_00]: like you would not imagine. Yeah I can't believe. I can't believe. How's your community

[00:03:50] [SPEAKER_00]: in Hood? Like I know it's a small spot. How supportive is it amongst your group of friends

[00:03:56] [SPEAKER_01]: there? Yeah so our town is I think like eight or nine thousand people in the actual Hood River

[00:04:03] [SPEAKER_01]: town. There's some outlying towns that are more agricultural that have a fair amount

[00:04:07] [SPEAKER_01]: of other people but so the valley's pretty tight. The wind community is pretty tight.

[00:04:11] [SPEAKER_01]: We lived here for a while. Kite porters take care of kite porters. It's really rad.

[00:04:16] [SPEAKER_01]: So immediately the community rallied behind me like insane. Like I didn't eat a single bite of

[00:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: food at the hospital because people were like basically meal training a bunch of organic food

[00:04:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff for me in the hospital in Portland. They were like driving food out for me.

[00:04:31] [SPEAKER_01]: We had a lot of support from my wife because actually what no one really talks about is like

[00:04:38] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a bummer for me going through the accident and like being in the hospital and

[00:04:42] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's kind of like a way bigger bummer on my parents and my wife and stuff so like

[00:04:47] [SPEAKER_01]: they need more they need just as much support during this time as the person that's in like

[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: obviously the devastating injury is like a bummer too but like the like the other person is

[00:05:00] [SPEAKER_01]: is the person that really deals with all that stuff in the long run. Like you think about

[00:05:04] [SPEAKER_01]: like worst case scenario you like die like it's over for you. I mean I don't know

[00:05:10] [SPEAKER_01]: depends on what you believe. You know like maybe it's not over for you. We don't know.

[00:05:13] [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. But like your journey is with that situation has now moved past that situation.

[00:05:19] [SPEAKER_01]: The people that are left to deal with it that is where the people need assistance. So my wife

[00:05:24] [SPEAKER_01]: need a lot of help. We had a lot of friends reach out for food, for fun,

[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_01]: for all kinds of stuff. Like I had easy access to cross-country skis all winter if

[00:05:34] [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to try to go ski which was a mess. I did try a bunch but I think I'm not

[00:05:39] [SPEAKER_01]: supposed to fall down and hit my head. And the first thing I do is like put skis on. I'm an idiot.

[00:05:45] [SPEAKER_01]: And then we had immediately we had like a crazy the internet's crazy right. So I had a GoFundMe

[00:05:51] [SPEAKER_01]: started by a good friend of mine Colleen Carroll that like kind of like blew up I guess. I

[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_01]: don't know. I was in a coma so I don't even really know what to tell you. I woke up and

[00:06:00] [SPEAKER_01]: was like whoa I could not look at it would just make me cry because it would just touch

[00:06:04] [SPEAKER_01]: me so much that like so many people cared. It's so weird to get messages from people

[00:06:10] [SPEAKER_01]: that are like hey you might not remember this but like in in Puerto Rico this one time you

[00:06:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you taught me how to do a front roll like 15 years ago and I'll never forget that. And

[00:06:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so I gave you 20 bucks for your GoFundMe and you're like this is so wild how wide

[00:06:25] [SPEAKER_01]: you you think you're just like this little drip and then it turns out that when everyone

[00:06:29] [SPEAKER_01]: needs to help you it turns out you've like kind of made a difference. And that was like

[00:06:32] [SPEAKER_01]: hard for me to emotionally deal with at first. So we had that and then yeah we had a lot of help

[00:06:41] [SPEAKER_01]: thank God because my family doesn't live here. We like moved to Hood River my wife's

[00:06:45] [SPEAKER_01]: family doesn't live here her brothers live here so we had a couple family support members but

[00:06:51] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah really tricky. And then I was not that fun to be around. I was really mean.

[00:06:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I would yell at all my friends and like I was really judgmental and really harsh on people

[00:07:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and like I was like not that fun to hang out with unless I was talking about what I wanted

[00:07:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to talk about and that's what we're doing. And it is like so crazy like two of my really good

[00:07:14] [SPEAKER_01]: friends we had to like like they asked me several times like hey can you just leave my

[00:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: house? And I was like oh yeah I guess I do I'm like not having fun over here like I'm mad

[00:07:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like I don't know why I'm mad it makes no sense. So yeah community was everything it's

[00:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: important. And then what's crazy man in between there like the thing that happened with Alex

[00:07:36] [SPEAKER_01]: Blockinger on the pier the thing happened with Lucas on the shark thing so like I was talking

[00:07:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to all these people because I had come through and out of the hospital and all this it was

[00:07:47] [SPEAKER_01]: like it was just this weird time so the community support was really important yeah

[00:07:53] [SPEAKER_00]: massive. Well I'm glad I'm glad they were there and you're absolutely right like

[00:07:58] [SPEAKER_00]: support like I went through a near fatal motorcycle accident 2009 and it was my mom

[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_00]: my brother and my friends who were there and were not always nice going through head injuries

[00:08:08] [SPEAKER_00]: and going through all these complications and problems and it's that support and love

[00:08:13] [SPEAKER_00]: and help for them to help us through because you're right like our situation would if our

[00:08:20] [SPEAKER_00]: situation was to end it's all the support network that needs support to help the support

[00:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: that they gave it's crazy but you know you think about people when they're like going

[00:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: through terminal illnesses you're like oh my god that must be so terrible it's terrible for

[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone involved and like the support is not just for the person that's going through the

[00:08:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing like that is important too but it's important that they have a system built around

[00:08:45] [SPEAKER_01]: them that can like push that system up a little bit it's it's really hard it's it's

[00:08:49] [SPEAKER_01]: really hard yeah it's something I don't wish on anybody but it's maybe like the best thing

[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: ever happened to me so like I'm I would never change the accident ever in a million years

[00:09:01] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah do you want to talk a little bit about how you came to that conclusion

[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I feel the coma and said it like right away like I don't know where it came from yeah yeah

[00:09:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like really crazy like something about I don't know if it was the brain injury or

[00:09:19] [SPEAKER_01]: certain circuitry turned on when you have a near death or I don't I can't really explain it

[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: than like I was possessed I was like spouting about how I thought all influential people maybe

[00:09:32] [SPEAKER_01]: had some type of chemical imbalance in their brain that led them to their power of influence

[00:09:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because I could just talk and sway and just like charge and I had all this like I knew

[00:09:43] [SPEAKER_01]: exactly what I wanted to like it was like crazy I was like my journal is like notes of

[00:09:48] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy person and I'm like whoa if you're crazy too crazy they put you in like an insane asylum

[00:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: or they like put you in jail right or you turn into a criminal or if you're just crazy enough

[00:10:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like Steve Jobs or you're like freaking Donald Trump or stuff like that so like you

[00:10:07] [SPEAKER_01]: sometimes that slips through when we make the crazy people the CEOs and like because they're

[00:10:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the they're like charged and they're like energized and all this and I was like man I

[00:10:15] [SPEAKER_01]: know my brain injury got me to this weird state that I'm in but like I bet a bunch of trauma can

[00:10:21] [SPEAKER_01]: get you here I bet like starvation and like all that stuff get you there you think about like

[00:10:26] [SPEAKER_01]: those religious guys that go on those hunger fasts for like months you're like you're not telling

[00:10:31] [SPEAKER_01]: me they're not having some crazy things going on in their brain and they're saying like

[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: we're talking to the spirits I was like I'm right there with you I'm not talking to spirits

[00:10:40] [SPEAKER_01]: but like I see how that could really solidify in really fast and so it was just kind of like

[00:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: an epiphany about how none of that was in my control it didn't feel like and so the revelation

[00:10:56] [SPEAKER_01]: of this is the best thing that's ever happened to me was like instantaneous I was like oh my

[00:11:00] [SPEAKER_01]: god I'm not dead and then I was like what I'm like alive and I was like it was just like

[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: I could not have been happier it was like a full return I got to come home before Christmas it

[00:11:13] [SPEAKER_01]: was like it was crazy it was like a rebirth the first bite of pepperoni pizza I cried like

[00:11:19] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like it was like I was like a kid I don't even know how to explain it it was

[00:11:23] [SPEAKER_01]: like insane so while this is all happening and I'm like learning how to walk and having all

[00:11:27] [SPEAKER_01]: these struggles um I was just so grateful for everything that I couldn't really be upset about

[00:11:34] [SPEAKER_01]: anything and then also I'm a competitive person with myself and I'm just like an athlete I think

[00:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: I like doing hard things whether I like to admit that or not and so what I thought of this was

[00:11:47] [SPEAKER_01]: is I was just like oh this is a super hard thing that I have to do that's like not fun

[00:11:53] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's like it's a challenge and like I know I can beat this injury I know I can and

[00:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: me a lot and so I was able to kind of stay away from the the blues plus I had a brain

[00:12:05] [SPEAKER_01]: injury to the right side of my brain not the left side of my brain which this side is where

[00:12:09] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of your emotions and like internal thoughts and all that stuff is I hit my face

[00:12:15] [SPEAKER_01]: really hard right here and uh that that side was off like completely off so the guy that

[00:12:23] [SPEAKER_01]: was awake was the left side of my brain who was like logical and like just like yell at you

[00:12:28] [SPEAKER_01]: because you don't see that like don't say you're just saying you have you're just saying your

[00:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: problems you're just giving me excuses like get rid of these excuses like I was like

[00:12:37] [SPEAKER_01]: super logical psycho guy so like I think that also helped stave off the super oh no this

[00:12:43] [SPEAKER_01]: is the worst that happened to me because I was just like what do I have to be bummed

[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_01]: about like I have like all this money from the go fund me and like my hospital bills

[00:12:50] [SPEAKER_01]: aren't that bad and I get to go home for Christmas and I'm alive and like my wife's pregnant and my

[00:12:54] [SPEAKER_01]: wife told me in the hospital she knew she was pregnant while I was still in the coma so bummer

[00:12:59] [SPEAKER_01]: for her she had no idea like what was gonna happen and like what the future of our life

[00:13:04] [SPEAKER_01]: was like and thank god it went really well but like so I was like yes I got a baby I'm

[00:13:09] [SPEAKER_01]: like everything was like I left the hospital in a wheelchair like so happy though it was so

[00:13:15] [SPEAKER_00]: weird yeah can you call it almost like a mental or an emotional reboot almost like we got to delete

[00:13:22] [SPEAKER_00]: stuff and then you get to it you get shown two or three things that are just absolutely phenomenal

[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_00]: and they fill your whole computer hard drive rather than all the stuff or something I don't

[00:13:31] [SPEAKER_00]: know it's kind of like a concept that I sort of had before it it's it's it deleted a

[00:13:37] [SPEAKER_00]: whole part of the past and it allowed me to like be more present and see be more happy

[00:13:41] [SPEAKER_00]: the future I think you had a brain injury then yeah two tbis from motorcycle and car accident

[00:13:47] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah and me I had a right hemisphere brain experience so my left part of my brain the

[00:13:52] [SPEAKER_00]: talking part shut down and it was just the is the part that's scented like would I would be

[00:13:59] [SPEAKER_00]: in awe of a leaf and I would sit outside for two hours and just be mesmerized by how the

[00:14:04] [SPEAKER_00]: leaf and how it felt and my talking part of my brain shut down so I didn't have the part

[00:14:09] [SPEAKER_00]: that would get in my way I just had an action oriented person who felt everything and the

[00:14:16] [SPEAKER_00]: epiphanies just flowed into my brain about rehab because I went to school for kin so I was like

[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_00]: imagine if we did this and this and this and this would help this and I would look it up

[00:14:26] [SPEAKER_00]: and it existed I was like wow that does exist so that's what I did by myself in the woods

[00:14:32] [SPEAKER_00]: with my mom being my caregiver and my brother coming to visit yeah yeah so it's

[00:14:36] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah it's crazy that's right I had a I've had a lot of conversations because I was very openly

[00:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: sharing like holy shit I have a brain injury and they gave me my phone back which I was like on

[00:14:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the internet immediately it was just so terrible stay away um yeah yeah but uh so I had a lot

[00:14:52] [SPEAKER_01]: of outreach from a lot of people that have like all kinds of variety of situations and

[00:14:56] [SPEAKER_01]: like talk to people that have similar things not similar injuries is so wild what can happen

[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: you bonk your head like what you've described to me sounds like you're like on freaking lsd

[00:15:07] [SPEAKER_01]: basically and then like what I would describe what I was on it felt like I was on like cocaine

[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: and ecstasy every day all day like I was just mania out of my mind so like I can it's

[00:15:19] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy that just a couple chemicals off in the in your brain while it's healing or a couple

[00:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: things get switched on or off it changes everything it's so crazy how delicate the balance

[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of our existence this hallucination we call life where you like can agree that there's a microphone

[00:15:38] [SPEAKER_01]: here and like audio works and all this stuff it's like yeah it's like uh it's just really wild

[00:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: and it's it was really eye-opening and um like you said massive perspective shifts and

[00:15:49] [SPEAKER_01]: I got through it all and I can still kiteboard and do all the I mean I don't

[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: kiteboard that much honestly I wing way more than I kiteboard at this moment um but uh

[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: it's wild it's and it's been amazing and now I hold them my little son in my hands and I'm

[00:16:03] [SPEAKER_00]: just like oh my god this is so crazy yeah let's let's let's go there um how obviously first time

[00:16:09] [SPEAKER_01]: dad how is that yeah uh about what you'd expect um the there's a whole bunch of like

[00:16:18] [SPEAKER_01]: oh I love this thing more than I've ever loved it's not more than I've ever loved anything

[00:16:23] [SPEAKER_01]: what I describe it as is a new so you ever play like video games where you have like a character

[00:16:28] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can unlock skill trees and like and like upgrade the character so like imagine you

[00:16:33] [SPEAKER_01]: with a love skill tree and like you have all kinds of different loves you have like parental

[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: love you have like love for a pet you have like love for your spouse you have like

[00:16:43] [SPEAKER_01]: infatuation you have like lusts you have all these different levels of love right and you

[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to make out with him and I don't want to like squish him like a pet I want to like

[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand what it is it's not a parental love it's weird it's a new

[00:17:03] [SPEAKER_01]: love that unlocks so that's pretty cool um you just want to like stare at stare at the baby

[00:17:08] [SPEAKER_01]: and just be like oh my gosh this is crazy um it's super stressful because you have so many

[00:17:14] [SPEAKER_01]: unanswered questions and the internet is filled now with things that you should be

[00:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: should you should be doing this you should be if you want your baby to be smart you

[00:17:22] [SPEAKER_01]: do that you like I imagine my parents when I was born in the 80s were not uh assaulted daily

[00:17:29] [SPEAKER_01]: with a like here's how you're not being a good enough parent basically is they're helpful tips

[00:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: don't get me wrong they're trying to help you and spread knowledge and awareness but

[00:17:38] [SPEAKER_01]: when you consume that stuff as a as an upcoming parent it just makes you just be like holy

[00:17:43] [SPEAKER_01]: man there is a lot of stuff that I got to figure out and like yeah and then you know

[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: go through the whole birth which is a full traumatic experience for both people like that

[00:17:53] [SPEAKER_01]: is a crazy day and they just give it to you and they're like all right go home you remember

[00:17:57] [SPEAKER_01]: did you study up well and you're like here we go and so then you know I have issues with

[00:18:02] [SPEAKER_01]: anxiety from the brain injury still lingering like lingering depression anxiety um I have some

[00:18:07] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah I have some definitely some echoes still from that accident that was like nine months

[00:18:13] [SPEAKER_01]: um so that can start like worry cycles with the baby but then in some ways it gave me purpose

[00:18:20] [SPEAKER_01]: which took away some of that so in some ways it's like a great thing uh we don't sleep you know

[00:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it just doesn't like you're in a time zone warp where you're like is it 11 in the afternoon

[00:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: three in the morning should I go fishing like do I need to be at the hatchery do I need to

[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_01]: make breakfast like is it five in the afternoon it makes no sense but you all you're doing is

[00:18:41] [SPEAKER_01]: keeping the thing alive and then um and then yeah the complications begin you know the like

[00:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the mayhem begins or the adventure I guess or however you want to think of it yeah yeah yeah

[00:18:52] [SPEAKER_00]: no that's cool thank congratulations by the way on thank you on a being able to like

[00:19:00] [SPEAKER_00]: there's two different ways to look at situations obviously and to look at it the way you did

[00:19:04] [SPEAKER_00]: and to work through it like a lot of us athletes attack some of these problems or

[00:19:08] [SPEAKER_00]: situations that we happen to find ourselves in and and be positive to work through like

[00:19:12] [SPEAKER_00]: congratulations for doing that and I'm super happy that you had the support that you did

[00:19:17] [SPEAKER_01]: what's the worst woe is me oh woe is me like I feel like here's the deal though when I was

[00:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: in the hospital there was definitely woe is me people like they were they were people that

[00:19:29] [SPEAKER_01]: were there that had not maybe the best fitness or not the best outcomes or I'm not sure or

[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_01]: best like oh my goodness and their mindsets were very much like why did the universe do this to me

[00:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: why is the universe why me why me why me woe is me and kind of like not assaulting and nothing

[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: against the hospital they do a great job but they're they're really risk management right

[00:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: so like at least here in the United States like they're scared of being sued and they're

[00:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: making sure they're covering all their bases so like they're gonna come in and and they're

[00:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: they're not gonna walk in and tell you like hey guess what in like six months you're probably

[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna be able to like swim again they're gonna be like oh we're not gonna say you can do anything

[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_01]: because if you do it based on what we say we you could get hurt and then we could be in

[00:20:18] [SPEAKER_01]: trouble so they're very like uh they're not telling you can they're not saying you can't

[00:20:22] [SPEAKER_01]: do anything but they're not encouraging you to do lots of things and the one thing you can

[00:20:28] [SPEAKER_01]: do is sit in your bed and turn on the tv which has all this terrible like advertisement

[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_01]: and like news channels and like i i just don't know that that is like a great place for a woe

[00:20:38] [SPEAKER_01]: is me person to spend some time so um i do see that that is a tricky part with the with the

[00:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: injuries the brain injuries the the life things it's really hard and there are two definitely

[00:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: two types of people they they embrace it and attack it and i believe in my this is something

[00:20:54] [SPEAKER_01]: that came out of the brain i think the universe is happening for me that is just how

[00:20:58] [SPEAKER_01]: view it now like i just refuse to believe that the universe is happening to me and i'm gonna be

[00:21:04] [SPEAKER_01]: reactive and um bummed about it i'm gonna say it's happening for me and there's a reason for

[00:21:09] [SPEAKER_01]: this annoying thing that's happening to me or this guy that cut me off in traffic and now

[00:21:15] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm gonna like go slower and i'm gonna miss that speed trap and not get a ticket i don't

[00:21:19] [SPEAKER_01]: know like i just believe now that like there is no point in viewing it as a why me it's

[00:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: pointless it just it's all in your mind and it's just like ruins everything it's hard it's

[00:21:32] [SPEAKER_01]: freaking really hard to to really embrace that truly it was way easier when i had a

[00:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: brain injury mania when i was just like yeah it's harder now but i still try to remember

[00:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: that number one thing out of the brain injury is it's it's truly a blessing um life like

[00:21:48] [SPEAKER_01]: just all of it like whatever is happening it's just like be grateful for it no no it's

[00:21:55] [SPEAKER_00]: exactly and i actually had a lot of arguments with that because i had to go to a psychotherapist or

[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_00]: psychologist during this process of insurance and stuff and she was like what happens if you

[00:22:06] [SPEAKER_00]: don't make it they said i'm going to make it so what happens if you don't i said could we

[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_00]: talk about the part that i do make it what would be really fun for me to do after i said

[00:22:13] [SPEAKER_00]: no i want to go here and and it was just and i think what we were fortunate is to have a

[00:22:19] [SPEAKER_00]: lot of love and support and that i think made a huge difference in the hospital when

[00:22:24] [SPEAKER_00]: you have love and support from family and friends it it left it took care of all of those other

[00:22:29] [SPEAKER_00]: things and i didn't have to worry about a thing all i had to do was focus on getting better

[00:22:33] [SPEAKER_00]: and then it was just like a life mission they said this actually matters like this

[00:22:38] [SPEAKER_00]: like work doesn't matter that doesn't matter like this can actually this is like an

[00:22:43] [SPEAKER_00]: accomplishment that i can hang on my tombstone when i leave here like that or sure how

[00:22:47] [SPEAKER_00]: cool that in and that's it's cool to meet fellow people who go through the same thing

[00:22:52] [SPEAKER_00]: because it's such a life-changing thing and yes it's very difficult but there's something about

[00:22:58] [SPEAKER_00]: it i don't know like after that i didn't know what i wanted to do because i felt i had

[00:23:01] [SPEAKER_00]: accomplished what i was meant to accomplish it's like i did it yeah i'm done now yeah like oh

[00:23:07] [SPEAKER_00]: i have to i have to do something else now yeah how long did your recovery process take if you

[00:23:12] [SPEAKER_00]: don't mind me asking um like i started windsurfing three or four years in but it took

[00:23:18] [SPEAKER_00]: like the whole process took eight to nine years um and like 10 15 doctors telling me i'll never

[00:23:24] [SPEAKER_00]: lift over 100 forget about any sports like probably the same stuff you heard did you

[00:23:29] [SPEAKER_01]: suffer or did you need orthopedic surgery and like screws and plates and all that in your

[00:23:33] [SPEAKER_00]: hips and that stuff yeah yeah my my pubic symphysis is bolted my right si joint is bolted

[00:23:41] [SPEAKER_00]: and um my left is okay but so far no complications everything is it healed i went

[00:23:47] [SPEAKER_00]: to a chiro and he said how the heck did you guys do it like your pelvis looks if you took away the

[00:23:51] [SPEAKER_00]: bolts it looked like it had never been broken yeah a lot of holistic care matched with

[00:23:56] [SPEAKER_00]: traditional care um was paramount but yeah i don't know like stuff happens for a reason and

[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_00]: it brings you somewhere how much question this is maybe a hippie hippie question but like sure

[00:24:08] [SPEAKER_01]: how much do you think that your belief that you were going to get through this injury and

[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: you were telling your you were telling your okay so by you i mean your brain you are consciously

[00:24:21] [SPEAKER_01]: telling your brain that you are going to make positive strides and get through this right so

[00:24:26] [SPEAKER_01]: you were as a person you weren't like i'm never getting through this this sucks whoa is me you

[00:24:30] [SPEAKER_01]: were like i'm gonna crush this right and how much do you think that mindset actually made

[00:24:38] [SPEAKER_01]: your body fix your pelvis where the guy's like i don't even know what happened to your

[00:24:43] [SPEAKER_01]: pelvis and you're like i don't know either i just am like a miracle because i i believe 100%

[00:24:49] [SPEAKER_01]: that like i laid in the hospital and pictured the little brushy scruffer the spray brushier

[00:24:55] [SPEAKER_01]: guys that are like in that advertisement from the 80s the little scrubby brushies

[00:24:58] [SPEAKER_01]: i imagine them on all my bones like fixing all my bones every second i could imagine

[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: i was like i'm fixing my bones i'm fixing my bones i'm fixing my bones and they're like

[00:25:08] [SPEAKER_01]: well all your pelvic fractures healed like really quick and like everything's like in the

[00:25:12] [SPEAKER_01]: right spots like i don't think we need to do surgery even though we thought we did and i was

[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: like shut up they're like you're a miracle i'm like no uh so i feel like part of it is mindset

[00:25:25] [SPEAKER_01]: i feel it's really important and i don't think people i mean they talk about it but i in the

[00:25:31] [SPEAKER_01]: hospital no one comes in before they give you your medicine and gives you like a mindset

[00:25:37] [SPEAKER_01]: coach that says like this is how we're going to get your mind through this battle it's

[00:25:42] [SPEAKER_01]: like here's how we're gonna get your body through this battle here's how we're gonna

[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: address your pain here's how we're gonna address your food here's how we're gonna help you poop

[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but we're not going to talk about like kind of what's going on mentally in this process

[00:25:58] [SPEAKER_01]: both in depression and whatnot and what you can do to change your mindset to make your

[00:26:03] [SPEAKER_01]: healing go way faster i think i think what's up here really matters i think it's really

[00:26:07] [SPEAKER_00]: important for me like the first thing my mom brought to the hospital was a picture of a healed

[00:26:12] [SPEAKER_00]: pelvis and we put it right beside my bed and um and through the process of one of the epiphanies

[00:26:20] [SPEAKER_00]: i had it's like if you hang your hook and this is for everything this is the skill you

[00:26:26] [SPEAKER_00]: want to learn this is a move you want to land this is something you want to do but i

[00:26:30] [SPEAKER_00]: hung my hook on let's say destination b and i was in a and when i was arguing with the

[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_00]: psychologist it was like the path to be i don't get to choose but i get to choose the destination

[00:26:42] [SPEAKER_00]: so when my destination is set and if i follow google maps like my buddy and i john would go

[00:26:48] [SPEAKER_00]: on these crazy gyps adventures when the google was terrible they would send us down logging

[00:26:52] [SPEAKER_00]: roads and all this stuff we knew we were going to get there so if you can set your mind on

[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_00]: the destination and hook into that and then just try what that does it allowed it allowed

[00:27:02] [SPEAKER_00]: me to have fun with the process of getting to be getting to the destination because the adventure

[00:27:08] [SPEAKER_01]: is the journey is the fun part exactly everyone thinks it's destination their destination

[00:27:12] [SPEAKER_01]: destination destination the journey is all of it it's that's the fun that's the part of it yeah

[00:27:18] [SPEAKER_01]: like man you climb the mountain yeah you remember when you got to the top for like

[00:27:23] [SPEAKER_01]: one minute but you're gonna remember the process of getting up and down the thing

[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: way more than you did that moment that you got to where you were going it's

[00:27:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it's yeah and like i said i agree with you it lets you focus on the fun of it like kind of like

[00:27:35] [SPEAKER_01]: let go of the stress and anxiety around oh no what do i do it's like well just figure it out

[00:27:42] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah because like life is short and not everybody has the opportunity to go through

[00:27:47] [SPEAKER_00]: such an event such as this to see behind the curtain that otherwise a lot of people don't get

[00:27:54] [SPEAKER_00]: to see so on if you want to look at it on that side and yeah it might be a little

[00:27:59] [SPEAKER_00]: spiritual little woo-woo but this is how deep down the rabbit hole you need to go

[00:28:03] [SPEAKER_00]: in order to um to stay positive and to answer your question about belief i think a belief is

[00:28:10] [SPEAKER_00]: one of the tool sets in your box that you use and you have to believe things that other people

[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_00]: say are impossible you have to believe things that your doctors say are impossible because

[00:28:20] [SPEAKER_00]: so many times we get surprised tomorrow about oh we didn't know the it would rain at three

[00:28:25] [SPEAKER_00]: o'clock but yeah like we just we just we don't know we pretend that we know but it's funny that

[00:28:32] [SPEAKER_01]: you say it's funny that you say you're talking about the belief you're like belief belief

[00:28:35] [SPEAKER_01]: belief belief i'm like man turns out i've been working on this as a pro kiteboarder i have to

[00:28:41] [SPEAKER_01]: believe that i can land this trick that no one is either landed or like i've never landed you

[00:28:46] [SPEAKER_01]: know there's tricks that were really hard that like needed to be done they need to be done

[00:28:50] [SPEAKER_01]: but like to win contests you have to keep getting better and better and better and so like

[00:28:54] [SPEAKER_01]: at some point you have to believe in the impossible to make the impossible happen so i've

[00:29:00] [SPEAKER_01]: been practiced at that for a while so it was really it's like an easy application it was like

[00:29:04] [SPEAKER_01]: oh i know how to win this contest i've been doing this for like a decade it was just like

[00:29:08] [SPEAKER_01]: the new contest has learned how to walk let's let's smash this one that one's easy we're

[00:29:12] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna win for sure and i had a ticking time bomb yeah so since he got pregnant like two

[00:29:18] [SPEAKER_01]: the accident so basically the baby was gonna be born um i mean the baby was born on july

[00:29:26] [SPEAKER_01]: 11 days early but i was like yeah so like i had to beat him so that i wasn't a hot mess

[00:29:34] [SPEAKER_01]: when the baby came because there was no way i was gonna well it's not my choice but i made a

[00:29:40] [SPEAKER_01]: selfish choice to get in the accident i don't remember the accident so like i made a selfish

[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: choice to do that though right and so like my wife my wife dealt with all that in the hospital

[00:29:49] [SPEAKER_01]: all the grief all this stuff she like dealt with me when i was an insane person like it was crazy

[00:29:53] [SPEAKER_01]: so then i was like oh man i can't like then fork her with the bill of like the child on

[00:29:59] [SPEAKER_01]: top of all of that so i my goal was like i need to get some semblance of an ability to like

[00:30:05] [SPEAKER_01]: get my life in accordance so that i can um help with the baby because like she's already

[00:30:11] [SPEAKER_00]: done so much this year it's too much it's too much yeah that's that's that's a nice way to

[00:30:18] [SPEAKER_00]: look at in the sense that you yeah exactly timing's timing how was your first let's say

[00:30:24] [SPEAKER_01]: wing foil or foil session back on the river after that oh my gosh uh i cried like a

[00:30:31] [SPEAKER_01]: thousand times well so like i cry all the time i'm surprised i haven't cried at this

[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_01]: moment i was an emotional person beforehand but like the right side went asleep but then he

[00:30:40] [SPEAKER_01]: woke up and then i've been trying to make him wake up and then he was like oh i'm awake all

[00:30:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the time now and so like i was just crying all the time it was it was kind of sick i would

[00:30:48] [SPEAKER_01]: wake up and play on sad music and just cry for like an hour and since he would wake up

[00:30:51] [SPEAKER_01]: be like what are you doing i'm like nothing is having so much fun crying um it was it was a

[00:30:59] [SPEAKER_01]: weird stage anyway um so yeah we went early so the doctors were like hey man you're not

[00:31:08] [SPEAKER_01]: gonna be able to do anything um you're not gonna be like i couldn't i had a lot of dizziness i

[00:31:14] [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't really balance that well i like i broke my pelvis and my sacrum and my lower vertebrae

[00:31:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and like they said they're like we should evaluate we should get an mri for your knee

[00:31:25] [SPEAKER_01]: because we think you really tore we think you blew your mcl and i was like i'll tell you if

[00:31:30] [SPEAKER_01]: i blew my mcl and it's like i did not let them do the mri or or look at the knee i was

[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_01]: like look it's gonna be i probably smoked my leg for sure like i did something but i know knee

[00:31:40] [SPEAKER_01]: injuries take a while before you suss them out so i'd like to like maybe not do knee surgery

[00:31:44] [SPEAKER_01]: right now and like let's heal from the brain injury first and we'll deal with the knee

[00:31:47] [SPEAKER_01]: surgery later and um so i had a bunch of host of issues that i was dealing with physically

[00:31:53] [SPEAKER_01]: and physical therapy and all this stuff building up to this and i was just like one day i was

[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_01]: like i feel like i'm can do the thing like i feel like i can i built up enough stuff we

[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_01]: on cross country skiing i've been hiking through like a field of like thigh or like chest deep

[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_01]: snow i'm putting my body through the test in ways that are low impact and i've been swimming in

[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_01]: the pool doing all my physical therapy exercises i'm getting a little bit stronger um so i made

[00:32:20] [SPEAKER_01]: sensi i was like you're driving me to rufus today it was like so cold we were in five

[00:32:24] [SPEAKER_01]: fours gloves booties it was like freezing i was like we're going in the river she's like

[00:32:28] [SPEAKER_01]: you sure i was like take me to the rufus and like i made her go she went to she's like pregnant at

[00:32:34] [SPEAKER_01]: that point so um i went out i got up pretty quick i was stressed i like wanted to capture

[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_01]: it all so i did a bunch of filming stuff we did a bunch of weird because um a bunch

[00:32:45] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff's going on um and then i went out and i got up like right away i'm riding a really big

[00:32:51] [SPEAKER_01]: so i'm riding like 125 liter um downwind sup it's 25 wide so it's a really wide downwind

[00:32:59] [SPEAKER_01]: sup it's uh one of the nash hover downwind boards um it's super stable um and a lot of

[00:33:07] [SPEAKER_01]: volume because what the two things that i can't do at the at that time and i still have

[00:33:12] [SPEAKER_01]: trouble with is balance and funneling power through my spine and thorax so taking the

[00:33:19] [SPEAKER_01]: of the wing and forcing it down through your body which is essentially a mast being a mast

[00:33:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and driving it into the board into the foil therefore like going up wind hard and being

[00:33:31] [SPEAKER_01]: able to hold power and being able to like lean back into the wing and all that stuff

[00:33:36] [SPEAKER_01]: like that wasn't really something that was too comfortable for me twisting was really was

[00:33:41] [SPEAKER_01]: tricky still so i was really careful i got right up on my giant board because it's like a

[00:33:48] [SPEAKER_01]: i like got on i was like okay we're up i popped up hydrofoil like immediately it was pretty windy

[00:33:54] [SPEAKER_01]: i was like sick i'm freaking killing it i got like right up i was like yep i haven't forgotten

[00:33:59] [SPEAKER_01]: how to do this great i winged we're at rufus in the cold so generally you want to be careful

[00:34:05] [SPEAKER_01]: with water safety there wasn't a ton of current so it wasn't that big of an issue

[00:34:08] [SPEAKER_01]: but i winged over to the um washington side which is like on the other side of the river

[00:34:14] [SPEAKER_01]: and the wind kind of got spotty and i tried to do a jibe um to toe side and fell

[00:34:21] [SPEAKER_01]: um and then i was like okay so now i got a get up switch which was really hard i couldn't get

[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_01]: up switch um so i was just like kind of like struggling and then i tried to like knee ride

[00:34:33] [SPEAKER_01]: for a bit and then get up regular and then i couldn't do the jibe and then i finally after

[00:34:39] [SPEAKER_01]: 45 minutes just kind of between knee riding and a little bit of toe side riding which really hurt

[00:34:44] [SPEAKER_01]: my back the twisting like the try to drive up wind toe side but hold the wing and like twist

[00:34:50] [SPEAKER_01]: your spine i was like not that fun and i limped my way back to oregon and like made it to the

[00:34:55] [SPEAKER_01]: shore and was like oh my god and went in immediately it was freezing went in the car

[00:34:59] [SPEAKER_01]: high heat like went to i think i went to sleep like i think i i think i put my gear

[00:35:05] [SPEAKER_01]: fell asleep and since he had to drive me home because like sometimes you just

[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like when the brain injury gets overloaded i just sleep um so it was a lot but it was pretty

[00:35:17] [SPEAKER_01]: rewarding knowing that i could do it i was like screaming super psyched and then i was like

[00:35:22] [SPEAKER_01]: not so psyched and then i was like puking and then i was like yeah it was a lot

[00:35:26] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like i did it just to prove that i could do it i was like screw the doctors

[00:35:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like i don't care what they say they say i'm not gonna swim i'm not gonna walk on

[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_01]: stable surfaces they're like you're not gonna be able to do all this stuff and i was like

[00:35:37] [SPEAKER_01]: i'll show you and that was in i want to say it was in march so it could have been in april

[00:35:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like towards the end of march beginning of april but uh the accident happened at the end

[00:35:49] [SPEAKER_01]: i came home from the hospital like just before christmas on my like the 20th so it was only

[00:35:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like three months after the accident so i should not have been able to go winging but

[00:35:59] [SPEAKER_00]: i'll show them tell me i can't go yeah yeah i used to go windsurfing and not tell my physio

[00:36:05] [SPEAKER_00]: and then she would be like oh wow you got some tight this and tight that and what happened

[00:36:10] [SPEAKER_00]: i was just walking around because in order for us to get better i think you have to slowly

[00:36:16] [SPEAKER_00]: push the envelope and because or else like there's so many people especially in the

[00:36:21] [SPEAKER_00]: health care in canada that general population people who are more sedentary in their

[00:36:28] [SPEAKER_00]: lifestyles like even though we're hurt we're still more active and more mobility and strength

[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_00]: than somebody who has chosen a different lifestyle so it's like we have to be able

[00:36:38] [SPEAKER_00]: to push the envelope a little bit to get back to where like your goal obviously is to get back

[00:36:42] [SPEAKER_00]: to where you were to do the same things to be better at certain things to maybe even be

[00:36:46] [SPEAKER_00]: better than you were before like so it's all definitely all part of the process sometimes

[00:36:51] [SPEAKER_00]: it's fun sometimes it's scary but yeah well i read the i read while i was in the hospital

[00:36:56] [SPEAKER_01]: thank god i like my i should have lost my eye it was like they were going to cut it out and throw

[00:37:00] [SPEAKER_01]: it away but like somehow some guy saved some surgeon saved it with some crazy surgery and

[00:37:05] [SPEAKER_01]: they were not sure about my vision you know like some people have lots of double vision i got

[00:37:09] [SPEAKER_01]: i basically hit this this super hard on the ground um and i was able to read like pretty

[00:37:15] [SPEAKER_01]: quickly it's pretty sweet so i was reading owen wright's book about his traumatic brain

[00:37:20] [SPEAKER_01]: injury that he suffered while he was surfing and his recovery and kind of like when he got over the

[00:37:26] [SPEAKER_01]: acute really gnarly issues of the brain injury like we're talking like a bit out he was getting

[00:37:35] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of flogged and was like really worried about like getting his head stirred up and like

[00:37:40] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of having some rick like symptoms coming back from getting like kind of beat up in the

[00:37:50] [SPEAKER_01]: five months before the act my accident on fiji just randomly i was coaching on the island had

[00:37:55] [SPEAKER_01]: this crazy talk with him about his brain injury about what it was like to surf in the wsl

[00:38:00] [SPEAKER_01]: finals and win that event and like so much crazy stuff and i was like whoa that's so crazy

[00:38:04] [SPEAKER_01]: brain injuries are crazy then like five months later i hit my head and had the same

[00:38:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like situation well some of the same situation and um what i took away from that book was

[00:38:14] [SPEAKER_01]: one of his mental coaches and physio guys was like it's good that you're having that happen

[00:38:19] [SPEAKER_01]: he's like why would that be good and he's like you're learning that you can what are the

[00:38:24] [SPEAKER_01]: consequences of mild you're not taking severe injuries to your head anymore we're not talking

[00:38:32] [SPEAKER_01]: about catching heel-side edges hitting the concrete we're not skateboarding dropping down

[00:38:36] [SPEAKER_01]: 10 stairs in owens conditions yeah waves are hitting pretty hard you can hit the reef so

[00:38:41] [SPEAKER_01]: you had to be really careful but like it's good to see that you can take a little bit

[00:38:46] [SPEAKER_01]: beating what the consequences of that is and then readjust moving forward so i used

[00:38:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the time on the water to like oh my god i went winging and i got so dizzy that i threw up in

[00:38:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the river multiple times like not fun to be like you have to end your session on your knee

[00:39:04] [SPEAKER_01]: riding dry heaving in the river you're like why did i do this and then you can't drive

[00:39:08] [SPEAKER_01]: yourself home you have to like you're like it's a mess but then i kind of learned what my

[00:39:14] [SPEAKER_01]: limits were i kind of learned what were the consequences of pushing to that extreme

[00:39:20] [SPEAKER_01]: and then that allowed me to kind of like safely approach those and just like when you take in

[00:39:29] [SPEAKER_01]: like breaths and you're like expanding tissue or like a lobster growing like you think about

[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_01]: what are they crustaceans i guess crabs like when they're molting or you know there's

[00:39:42] [SPEAKER_01]: uncomfortable pressure when you're growing right and then you break you break that tissue and you

[00:39:49] [SPEAKER_01]: like expand and you become more like and that's important that you push through those little

[00:39:54] [SPEAKER_01]: moments of like uncertainty severity and i'm not saying you should go and hit your head again by

[00:39:59] [SPEAKER_01]: any means i'm just saying i think living an active lifestyle and your doctors where they're

[00:40:06] [SPEAKER_01]: at where what they think they would recommend a normal patient is very different i thought it

[00:40:10] [SPEAKER_01]: was hilarious they'd be like you can't wing you can't snowboard you can't mountain bike you can't

[00:40:15] [SPEAKER_01]: do any of the things you love to do but i'm gonna see you next thursday in our appointment

[00:40:21] [SPEAKER_01]: in portland so you're gonna drive your car in the hospital or drive your car or like i couldn't

[00:40:27] [SPEAKER_01]: drive my car but i could be driven in a car and it was pretty quick that i could drive

[00:40:30] [SPEAKER_01]: a car like honestly so the doctors were totally okay with the risk of me getting in

[00:40:36] [SPEAKER_01]: car accident which everyone in the hospital was there because of car accidents all the brain

[00:40:41] [SPEAKER_01]: injury people were like car accidents or strokes is one or two it was never it was no paragliding

[00:40:45] [SPEAKER_01]: accidents i was like a novelty in the hospital everyone all the patients wanted to come see the

[00:40:48] [SPEAKER_01]: guy that fell out of the sky or whatever but um huh they were okay with that they were like

[00:40:55] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah you can drive in a car eventually like yeah no problems like but you can't catch an

[00:40:59] [SPEAKER_01]: edge on a snowboard it's like well come on bro like let's adjust our our our look of what risk

[00:41:06] [SPEAKER_01]: looks like for people who live risky lives already like i already lived a risky life i'm

[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: not gonna my level is a little bit different than some other people as you know not base

[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: jumping but i'm not scared like i'm not like i'm not like oh my god with my head i wear a

[00:41:23] [SPEAKER_01]: helmet for sure all the times on the water now guess why two big things they stop you

[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: getting hit um and having brain injury or whatever issues two i've had so many freaking stitches in

[00:41:33] [SPEAKER_01]: my head from the foil because even if the non-sharp parts touch you it's like a psi hit

[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: to a really tight skin spot it splits right open you need three or four stitches always it's

[00:41:45] [SPEAKER_01]: so annoying and it's always on some stupid toe side turn or something dumb and you have

[00:41:52] [SPEAKER_01]: go to the hospital in america stitches cost you like 500 it's the most messed up thing so like

[00:41:59] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah i mean look at this one i have a scar like right here that's from a surfboard but

[00:42:03] [SPEAKER_01]: not a foil but i like dude i get stitches all the time so like helmets are sick yes

[00:42:09] [SPEAKER_00]: little mention to ford whip that we just had them on not that long ago

[00:42:13] [SPEAKER_00]: for water impact protection company from france we went all the way through helmets

[00:42:18] [SPEAKER_00]: different kinds of helmets and gear definitely very important for foiling and what's to come

[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: right helmets and flotation those are two things i can they like look like you can say whatever

[00:42:29] [SPEAKER_01]: you want to say about i don't need those two pieces of equipment you can say they restrict

[00:42:33] [SPEAKER_01]: your mobility you can say they're annoying with the wind you can say i hate them whatever

[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_01]: you got to say i don't care you can you can make your own choices but it's pretty easy

[00:42:41] [SPEAKER_01]: to knock yourself out on the water with the foils and the sharp stuff it's pretty easy to

[00:42:46] [SPEAKER_01]: lacerate yourself on the water with that sharp stuff and it's pretty easy to sink if you're

[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_01]: unconscious so any amount of flotation is not just going to help you it's going to help the

[00:42:56] [SPEAKER_01]: people that come to save your ass when you're when you're in a mess when your friends come

[00:43:00] [SPEAKER_01]: to try to like and your friends might not know water rescue the guy that was winging

[00:43:04] [SPEAKER_01]: with you might be just like a 65 year old guy who's just doing his best and so like

[00:43:09] [SPEAKER_01]: any amount of help in flotation is like is great and like wetsuits help with that you know

[00:43:13] [SPEAKER_01]: best are going to help with that our our um winging population here in hood river is there's a lot

[00:43:20] [SPEAKER_01]: of young people don't get me wrong i'm not saying it's a bunch of old people but we have a lot

[00:43:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of elderly people in their 50s and 60s that access the river they're very safety conscious

[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_01]: man they wear um harnesses they wear wetsuits they wear booties they wear wing shoes they

[00:43:33] [SPEAKER_01]: wear knee pads they wear freaking visors like they're the squad and i i respect that man

[00:43:39] [SPEAKER_01]: like hey whatever it does like you don't want to be dying on the river for pride like that's dumb

[00:43:45] [SPEAKER_00]: no yeah and and like we were talking about it's a whole cascading effect of other people who

[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_00]: are there that that suffer the most when you when you when that happens so taking those minor

[00:43:56] [SPEAKER_01]: precautions i don't think it's a big deal some guy a local uh a guy in our area he was

[00:44:01] [SPEAKER_01]: just foiling on a normal like not a big day or anything it was kind of big granted in

[00:44:06] [SPEAKER_01]: river um so he was riding a small sharper foil he had like a random turn foil tip took him in

[00:44:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the calf sliced an artery needed a tourniquet applied had to paddle in like got a tourniquet

[00:44:18] [SPEAKER_01]: applied didn't have to get life flighted thankfully because we we like had a surgeon

[00:44:23] [SPEAKER_01]: here that could do the surgery and like he wasn't like bleeding out and uh he lost two

[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_01]: liters of blood and it was quick and over fast like he is all good everything like no

[00:44:34] [SPEAKER_01]: damage like all good but like that's a quick reminder that for wingers especially the hydrofoils

[00:44:39] [SPEAKER_01]: are sharp man like it's yeah it's it's just something to keep in mind when you're doing

[00:44:45] [SPEAKER_01]: this fun super fun thing that seems like it's like you're floating on a cloud um you just

[00:44:51] [SPEAKER_01]: want to make sure you think you think through a couple things just a couple things yeah we're

[00:44:55] [SPEAKER_00]: super happy he's okay i saw that on instagram and i like i saw him at awsi last year when

[00:45:01] [SPEAKER_00]: there and so happy that that but there's so many pieces that come into play to make sure he comes

[00:45:06] [SPEAKER_00]: home and he lives right that's what i'm saying like all our like a couple people were there

[00:45:09] [SPEAKER_01]: that just like yeah took care of it what's really crazy is my brother-in-law so my

[00:45:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sister's brother um he was kiteboarding on the sandbar um like in shallowish water on a

[00:45:21] [SPEAKER_01]: surfboard and some freak accident thing happened where the he came off the surfboard it flipped

[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: over and he took the thruster fin to the calf same thing slices femoral like slices artery

[00:45:32] [SPEAKER_01]: into his calf his friend had to like squeeze it they tied a tourniquet with a leash he actually

[00:45:37] [SPEAKER_01]: had to be life flighted he'd have this gnarly surgery and same thing he's fine like nothing

[00:45:42] [SPEAKER_00]: too bad but like near bleed out again so that's sketchy are there like i'm not an expert in

[00:45:56] [SPEAKER_00]: cut resistance is there any talk of that stuff potentially coming in for foiling because that

[00:46:03] [SPEAKER_01]: could be something worth looking at yeah so there is some products on the market right now from

[00:46:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you know all our main uh manufacturers i think that's going to be ion monera ride engine um

[00:46:15] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm sure there's some other people that are in this same space where they're going to layer

[00:46:19] [SPEAKER_01]: um pe board like polyethylene backer board inside of like a vest or some piece of wearable

[00:46:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that is going to provide you with um basically what is impact resistant or stab proof

[00:46:34] [SPEAKER_01]: panels no one has gone so far as to layer that inside of a wetsuit or make that like

[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_01]: more tactical than basically just an impact vest with some with some board in it but like okay

[00:46:46] [SPEAKER_01]: i don't know i mean maybe you could make like a kevlar weave wetsuit that is like basically

[00:46:52] [SPEAKER_01]: impenetrable like i mean honestly bulletproof vests are really really um tactical and awesome

[00:46:57] [SPEAKER_01]: but in places where they don't have guns like in england where they have a lot of stabbings

[00:47:02] [SPEAKER_01]: and stuff they wear even gnarlier vests because stab psi of a of a knife is way higher

[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: actually than a bullet so stab wounds are actually or stabbing is actually harder so foil

[00:47:11] [SPEAKER_01]: even harder i don't know potentially but yeah you can maybe layer something like that in a wetsuit

[00:47:18] [SPEAKER_01]: but i think the big concerns are thorax um anywhere you're gonna sever arteries and

[00:47:24] [SPEAKER_01]: like freaking throat or face like and so yeah i just like i mean some people are wearing

[00:47:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like there's one guy in hood river that wears like a goalie mask like a face shield oh wow

[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_00]: yeah everything's all right everything's all right as long as you feel safe and

[00:47:39] [SPEAKER_01]: they got tennis shoes they got tennis shoes goalie masks freaking who knows the sup boiling crew is

[00:47:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like expanding massively here too it's out it's like oh i don't doubt it's crazy this summer

[00:47:51] [SPEAKER_01]: what happened from last summer to this summer it's insane so like that's a whole other

[00:47:56] [SPEAKER_00]: wormhole of things oh wow it's so cool like i hadn't been there in a long time it's

[00:48:03] [SPEAKER_00]: like windsurfing still lives there it's insane like hey yeah it's crazy like it's still a thing

[00:48:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and like yeah at the hook there's still like i go there to teach my friends how to wing and

[00:48:15] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff you know and i still see kids learning how to windsurf as young kids like trying

[00:48:19] [SPEAKER_01]: to do water starts in the straps like kids pussing around in the hook and like

[00:48:23] [SPEAKER_01]: the hatchery definitely has a crowd of younger windsurfing people i would say the average

[00:48:30] [SPEAKER_01]: age is 50 for sure and there's definitely some old dinosaurs but that's fine they're still out on

[00:48:35] [SPEAKER_01]: the water um and then there's you know a young crew of like um wyatt miller and tyson poor and

[00:48:43] [SPEAKER_01]: brian metcalfe and like um jp wilkes and like all these boys who are like shredding like

[00:48:51] [SPEAKER_01]: doing huge forwards and like yeah it's like really impressive that i can go out on a windy

[00:48:55] [SPEAKER_01]: day and be like riding the swell like oh this is so fun and like these boys are throwing

[00:49:00] [SPEAKER_01]: huge forward loops and shit you're like well this is a whole other thing yeah so it's alive

[00:49:04] [SPEAKER_01]: and well i mean it's definitely a thing here but i would say winging is we is dominating

[00:49:08] [SPEAKER_01]: like it there's more wingers than kiters more wingers than windsurfers 75 percent of the

[00:49:15] [SPEAKER_00]: days for sure yeah no it's such a crazy sport that i don't even know it took a while

[00:49:21] [SPEAKER_00]: to catch to catch on but it's insane now like so what what are you doing with your time

[00:49:26] [SPEAKER_00]: that um that you're kind of on to the next phase thankfully but like raising your sign what else

[00:49:33] [SPEAKER_00]: are you are you doing do you work with sensi do you do your own stuff or oh boy yeah so i was

[00:49:38] [SPEAKER_01]: um i was a test rider at slingshot for quite a few for two or three years um i made a job

[00:49:44] [SPEAKER_01]: switch um in november to join the design team at nash um oh awesome so yeah i just i

[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_01]: moved into the into the wing space um my good friend you and jaspen is their kite designer

[00:49:59] [SPEAKER_01]: um they have some people doing the windsurf like they're a legacy brand they have a lot of

[00:50:03] [SPEAKER_01]: products to touch they they were looking for someone to kind of move into the space they have

[00:50:07] [SPEAKER_01]: they have some people taking care of the situation thankfully because we'll

[00:50:10] [SPEAKER_01]: we'll get to that in one second um so i got brought on to do the wing design and help with

[00:50:16] [SPEAKER_01]: the wing stuff i'm really passionate about design i've been doing testing and and deep

[00:50:20] [SPEAKER_01]: work not like actually deep in but pretty deep um and so these design jobs are really hard to

[00:50:27] [SPEAKER_01]: come by and they're really hard to find candidates for who understand our market

[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and understand the puzzle and understand how it all works and have some it's it's a complicated

[00:50:37] [SPEAKER_01]: thing no matter how how you cut it it's why we have still have the legacy designers like

[00:50:42] [SPEAKER_01]: pat goodman and um ken winner and one they know a lot of things and they went through

[00:50:48] [SPEAKER_01]: birth of kiteboarding so they know how to work through a lot of problems too they are um

[00:50:55] [SPEAKER_01]: i won't say reluctant but like i wouldn't say they're lining up to find replacements

[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_01]: for themselves right like you don't necessarily want to give everyone your design secrets right

[00:51:03] [SPEAKER_01]: so like they're hard they're hard learned things to it's fabric it's like it's how do

[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: you make your shirt make you jump 40 meters into the sky like how do you sew something that

[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_01]: it's it's such a weird thing it's it's 2d to 3d but then it's like fabric but it's it's

[00:51:21] [SPEAKER_01]: really complicated so um i joined the squad as a designer because i was like sick great opportunity

[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and then three days after i started i smashed into the earth and i've been in the hospital

[00:51:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and dealing with all of that ever since um i've been getting back to work roles probably

[00:51:37] [SPEAKER_01]: starting in may i was starting to take some some work roles again by no means am i working

[00:51:43] [SPEAKER_01]: like a 40 hour work week at the moment um and then i was starting to integrate with the team

[00:51:47] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of like i missed all that i like was supposed to fly to maui and like meet everybody

[00:51:51] [SPEAKER_01]: but like i was in the hospital i couldn't do anything and they were like you're crazy you

[00:51:56] [SPEAKER_01]: shouldn't come to maui maybe and i was like great um yeah so they let me recover it was

[00:52:02] [SPEAKER_01]: super super awesome and i'm kind of onboarding back into my role and then the baby popped and

[00:52:07] [SPEAKER_01]: now i'm on paternity leave for a little bit and then i'll probably be back in action at awsi

[00:52:15] [SPEAKER_01]: in a couple weeks because the baby will be kind of like my parents will be here and we'll have

[00:52:19] [SPEAKER_01]: some help um and then we'll see how that goes from there okay so i work for nash in the in

[00:52:25] [SPEAKER_01]: my meantime i tinker in my garage with my sewing machine and try to make weird stuff have

[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_01]: you seen have you seen the the latest craze the para wing was i was gonna talk to you

[00:52:37] [SPEAKER_01]: paring it's evolving so fast it's crazy i had i'm sure everyone will claim they had a vision for

[00:52:44] [SPEAKER_01]: this a million years ago but like about a couple months before the accident i was a speed flyer i

[00:52:54] [SPEAKER_01]: understood paragliding like i had i've been tinkering in this space we've been talking about

[00:52:59] [SPEAKER_01]: how do we we've been doing ank wing anchor drops and like how do we get rid of the wing

[00:53:04] [SPEAKER_01]: we've been exploring these ideas for years at slingshot like what do we make how do we get

[00:53:09] [SPEAKER_01]: rid of the the wings the foils are evolving how do we take advantage of just the foils then the

[00:53:14] [SPEAKER_01]: sub foiling started it's like okay people don't even want wind sports but then sometimes they do

[00:53:19] [SPEAKER_01]: so there's like this weird space that's been happening for a couple years um and i had

[00:53:23] [SPEAKER_01]: this vision that like i thought in the next couple years that half of the wingers would

[00:53:29] [SPEAKER_01]: be using more paraglider-esque ram air trainer kite like i was looking at the the peaks like

[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_01]: fly surfer peaks those single-skin kites they use for foiling i was like man like why are we

[00:53:44] [SPEAKER_01]: not winging with these things and why are we not like why are we not using the efficiencies

[00:53:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of ram airs ram airs are way more efficient than um like race kites think of what they're

[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: riding in the olympics they're not a bunch of lei kites they're ram air kites so surely if

[00:53:58] [SPEAKER_01]: you made a badass le a ram air wing it would be faster but it would be a pain in the butt

[00:54:04] [SPEAKER_01]: fill with water and it'd be like soft and like what would it look like and so that question

[00:54:09] [SPEAKER_01]: has been floating around and the hawaii 50 or the maui 50 guys with their pocket wing first

[00:54:16] [SPEAKER_01]: inaugural launch kind of showed people that like hey there's something they've been working

[00:54:20] [SPEAKER_01]: on those in maui i've seen some friends that are using like drag shoots like drogue shoots

[00:54:24] [SPEAKER_01]: and people that are using like trainer kites like people are doing weird stuff trying to make

[00:54:29] [SPEAKER_01]: happen um so i i taking all this data in before the accident i was like something's happening

[00:54:35] [SPEAKER_01]: here and then when i woke up from the brain injury i was like oh we have to get in front

[00:54:38] [SPEAKER_01]: of this something crazy is about to happen and then everyone's like you're a crazy person

[00:54:42] [SPEAKER_01]: um because i was and so uh you know you see the you see the brm one launched like what last

[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: week or something and people all over the gorge are just losing their shit like everyone's

[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: like going out and struggling and like people are buying them and returning them and then some

[00:54:58] [SPEAKER_01]: are like duck tacking them and like some people are like taking them on expeditions and like

[00:55:03] [SPEAKER_01]: it's getting really weird really quick like instantaneously so i've been making a bunch of

[00:55:10] [SPEAKER_01]: crap like that in my garage like on my sewing machine like i i already don't have the brm

[00:55:15] [SPEAKER_01]: one but i have one that i can use and it doesn't mine doesn't go up wind unfortunately

[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_01]: because mine isn't like a full fleshed out i can't sew a crazy thing in my garage like

[00:55:24] [SPEAKER_01]: can't make a pair of either in my garage but i can get up on foil on mine and then make it

[00:55:28] [SPEAKER_01]: go away and go on runs with it if i want i'm gonna go this afternoon try to do like a three

[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: mile run with it get real adventurous i because like look even if they invent the best one

[00:55:40] [SPEAKER_01]: let's say let's say okay so let's say let's use the obvious example even if ozone yesterday

[00:55:47] [SPEAKER_01]: already had one of these and wrote it and said this is dumb and then they they dusted

[00:55:51] [SPEAKER_01]: off their file and like made one in one second in their amazing factory because they have the

[00:55:56] [SPEAKER_01]: capabilities of making something significantly elite beyond what they have all of the

[00:56:01] [SPEAKER_01]: manufacturing techniques of their high end they make the highest end race pair gliders on the

[00:56:05] [SPEAKER_01]: market like there's no question that they could have this file tomorrow who creates

[00:56:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the how to's of this of this new thing who creates the service is it the youtubers is it

[00:56:19] [SPEAKER_01]: passionate foil guys who are like the i got 200 sub 200k subs and i'm going to explain to you

[00:56:24] [SPEAKER_01]: how to use the pocket wing or is it the brands that have to invest money in marketing videos

[00:56:31] [SPEAKER_01]: how-to videos how to repair how to use like this is a whole category the last time we created

[00:56:36] [SPEAKER_01]: a whole category was winging winging was the whole category think how long it took to flesh

[00:56:41] [SPEAKER_01]: out all of that market this falls in the same category technically it's still winging

[00:56:47] [SPEAKER_01]: but it's a totally different thing i worry about like is someone is someone going to drown with

[00:56:52] [SPEAKER_01]: one of these what happens if what happens if it's leashed to you kind of because you don't want to

[00:56:57] [SPEAKER_01]: let it go and like how do you deal with the let it go or not do you let it go and then it

[00:57:01] [SPEAKER_01]: sticks to the water you go get it and paddle to it like what if you're on a 50 liter board

[00:57:05] [SPEAKER_01]: can you paddle a 50 liter to go get it what if it what if you let go of it because

[00:57:09] [SPEAKER_01]: you can't hold on to it and it hits another person downwind of you and wraps around them

[00:57:14] [SPEAKER_01]: they go flying into the rocks what if you leash yourself to it and it gets picked up by a wave

[00:57:21] [SPEAKER_01]: i'm sure you've had a kite or something pull you in a wave like what if you don't

[00:57:26] [SPEAKER_01]: come up from underwater what if do you need a release on this thing like someone needs to

[00:57:33] [SPEAKER_01]: answer all these questions before everyone's like yeah these are the future it's like

[00:57:37] [SPEAKER_01]: we have to create a whole thing about it and so it's fun to make the thing but it's also fun

[00:57:45] [SPEAKER_01]: to think about the complicated questions that that this brings to peak to like what does it do

[00:57:51] [SPEAKER_01]: to value like do people think a single skin um lightweight paraglide-esque looking wing is worth

[00:57:59] [SPEAKER_01]: the 1200 dollars that it's going to cost to get that lightweight material the like or are

[00:58:04] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be like i could make that in my freaking garage and then we're going to have like all

[00:58:08] [SPEAKER_01]: these bed sheet people and like what what is this where does this complicate things like

[00:58:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and you think full circle about this it's really weird the second someone tacked it

[00:58:20] [SPEAKER_01]: everyone at my local beach was just like it was like non-stop about like and like people

[00:58:26] [SPEAKER_01]: are doing weird stuff you know they're riding like 45 liter boards on on days where

[00:58:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and they pull the wing away and you see someone going down the river with no paddle and no wing

[00:58:36] [SPEAKER_01]: and you're like wait what how did this guy do this run it's like really weird yeah and we have

[00:58:44] [SPEAKER_01]: a big culture here with the runs like the downwind thing is really big so there's a lot

[00:58:49] [SPEAKER_01]: of people doing the shuttling and the running it's it's becoming not only a go to the beach

[00:58:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and stay up wind sport which is like ride the swell downwind go up wind ride the swell downwind

[00:58:59] [SPEAKER_01]: it's now like shuttles everyone's doing downwind lap shuttles so there's always vans running up

[00:59:05] [SPEAKER_01]: like people are into doing laps like everyone yesterday drove out to rufus to go do like 12

[00:59:09] [SPEAKER_01]: mile runs because the suppers are crazy and they all want to do that and that's what they

[00:59:14] [SPEAKER_01]: did all day so it's more voyaging it's more missions it's more shuttles so like in my ideal

[00:59:22] [SPEAKER_01]: world you take this ram air thing i do it already with a with a conventional wing i have

[00:59:28] [SPEAKER_01]: a little backpack i wing up wind with my paddle i pack my wing down in my backpack and i suck back

[00:59:35] [SPEAKER_01]: to my car so that i don't need to do a shuttle because i hate waiting for people and i hate

[00:59:40] [SPEAKER_01]: doing all the shuttle bullshit i can go up wind just as fast as they can do their shuttle lap

[00:59:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and set the car and do all of that i hated this impaired riding i hated all of the i would

[00:59:50] [SPEAKER_01]: rather hike when i land i'm done then like drive like 20 laps because i hate all the

[00:59:58] [SPEAKER_01]: sucks so for me imagine that the imagine the vision right now that is like you throw up this

[01:00:06] [SPEAKER_01]: thing parrowing whatever you want to call it bed sheet tech you you hook in and they're

[01:00:13] [SPEAKER_01]: efficient because they're ram air style kite maybe and yeah it fills with water and yeah

[01:00:18] [SPEAKER_01]: it's a pain in the butt but guess what it's a pain in the butt no matter what and you

[01:00:22] [SPEAKER_01]: rip up wind on four or five broad reaches you find a little piece of swell you pull the thing

[01:00:29] [SPEAKER_01]: down stow it in your pack and you go for a four mile ride on a board with no paddle no wing no

[01:00:34] [SPEAKER_01]: nothing like you basically like you tow like honestly let's be honest what's the best form

[01:00:38] [SPEAKER_01]: of toy what's the best form of foiling yeah like that's pretty open swell riding it's

[01:00:45] [SPEAKER_01]: toe foiling someone whips you on a jet ski onto a wave you have nothing on you you're on

[01:00:50] [SPEAKER_01]: a freaking 90 centimeter board you're like on the fastest foil you own like i have the fortunate

[01:00:57] [SPEAKER_01]: privilege of spending some time in fiji and my favorite thing in fiji is high tide toe foiling

[01:01:04] [SPEAKER_01]: because you get whipped onto these amazing waves that are just mush burgers they're like

[01:01:08] [SPEAKER_01]: no one would surf it and they go for like you get such long rides and you're like that's

[01:01:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the funnest thing so winging is like get you in let go i'm toe foiling but not really

[01:01:19] [SPEAKER_01]: the wings still there sup paddling they say it's better than winging because you don't have a wing

[01:01:24] [SPEAKER_01]: in your way you just have the paddle but you got to sup a big board unless you're really

[01:01:29] [SPEAKER_01]: freaking good and you can like put in the hours that it takes to get on that like

[01:01:34] [SPEAKER_01]: the seven foot kt boards that are like crazy you got to balance i have friends that have gone

[01:01:39] [SPEAKER_01]: down the wormhole they're riding small equipment it looks freaking sick there's this kid

[01:01:43] [SPEAKER_01]: mcflowy that's his instagram handle he is shrilping on his board and it's a big board

[01:01:49] [SPEAKER_01]: but he's making it look really good but it's not toe foiling it's still a big board so if you

[01:01:55] [SPEAKER_01]: can take this pocket wing technology situation and get yourself upwind on a 50 or 60 liter

[01:02:02] [SPEAKER_01]: mid-length style looking board that's like like it's a shrunken sup so it has the efficiency

[01:02:07] [SPEAKER_01]: and you can get yourself up and onto a situation guess what you're on a way smaller board it's way

[01:02:14] [SPEAKER_01]: more fun it's like toe foiling and then for sure if you're at a wave spot as long as you're

[01:02:18] [SPEAKER_01]: not getting pounded in the shore break and there's like a shelter from the death that these

[01:02:22] [SPEAKER_01]: para wings could get yourself in because when paragliders go in the ocean or water usually

[01:02:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the guy drowns like paragliders plus water equal drown usually i've crashed in the water

[01:02:31] [SPEAKER_01]: several times with my paraglider and everybody's been like oh my god that's so dangerous but

[01:02:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I've been in the water with ram air foil kites so like i felt comfortable but most people don't

[01:02:41] [SPEAKER_01]: do well with lines and stuff in the water and they take on water and they start sinking and

[01:02:45] [SPEAKER_01]: like it can get really bad so i don't know what the future of this technology is going to

[01:02:51] [SPEAKER_01]: result in but uh if you're riding in a wave spot imagine you're like out to the outside

[01:02:56] [SPEAKER_01]: catch a wave wing thing goes completely away you're not stowing it in your pack for

[01:03:01] [SPEAKER_01]: long town downwind voyage you just it's out of the way in your hands and you're just kind of

[01:03:07] [SPEAKER_01]: shredding with this thing in your hand and then you like pump back out a little bit throw it back

[01:03:11] [SPEAKER_01]: up i like to call it throw and go man that's the category for me yeah no it has such

[01:03:19] [SPEAKER_00]: like my friend uh john vu here just got one and um he said there's so much potential but

[01:03:26] [SPEAKER_00]: was on side on conditions it's filled with water and it was a 30 pound bag and he's like

[01:03:32] [SPEAKER_00]: there's but those questions that you raised very valid questions very valid questions

[01:03:37] [SPEAKER_01]: because yeah like honestly you know it's a it's a single skin with a with a um curved leading

[01:03:43] [SPEAKER_01]: edge right as a as i kind of double skin in the front of it a lot of paragliders are single

[01:03:48] [SPEAKER_01]: or like can be single skin or double skin like that right um they all have ways for air

[01:03:54] [SPEAKER_01]: to get in which would be ways for water to get out i find it interesting that the boys didn't

[01:03:59] [SPEAKER_01]: put a single mesh vent hole to drain water like i get that they say oh normally you just like

[01:04:05] [SPEAKER_01]: get the leading edge up because that's how it launches out of the water and then the water

[01:04:10] [SPEAKER_01]: drains out of the back of it but like the one i have that is not a brm whatever it's a

[01:04:17] [SPEAKER_01]: brandon wing that i made in my garage it becomes a giant bag of water you are like

[01:04:22] [SPEAKER_01]: my arms are so tired from just like lifting this bag out of the water it's like man

[01:04:29] [SPEAKER_01]: so there's a lot there's a lot to happen really quick and what's really scary or not scary is

[01:04:35] [SPEAKER_01]: arms races are are interesting and they don't often benefit the customer in that the customer

[01:04:46] [SPEAKER_01]: gets a bunch of stuff really quick that they have to sort through to find what's the good

[01:04:54] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff the early adopters kind of like take the hard journey and learn and so the arms race

[01:05:02] [SPEAKER_01]: happens the customers get some stuff it starts to work all the brands i mean you want to

[01:05:09] [SPEAKER_01]: bet how many of them are going to be at awsi i know the brm ones are going to be there i

[01:05:12] [SPEAKER_01]: other brands have them immediately like i almost guarantee it's going to be off to the races

[01:05:16] [SPEAKER_01]: i know personally that i'm really interested in this space and been pushing our nash team

[01:05:22] [SPEAKER_01]: to look in this space i've been i have my own in my garage we're very interested in what's

[01:05:27] [SPEAKER_01]: going on in this in this rapidly evolving space and i don't think we're the only one

[01:05:33] [SPEAKER_01]: so get ready for a whole slew of weird things happening and winging again i'm sure

[01:05:38] [SPEAKER_00]: and that's exciting as hell actually oh it's like i think some of these early adopters like

[01:05:44] [SPEAKER_00]: they're just so happy to be part of the process to be honest like it's so cool to get an early

[01:05:49] [SPEAKER_00]: version of something you said man i wrote like seven versions and now it's here like sometimes

[01:05:54] [SPEAKER_00]: it's not even they don't even care as much because you're like you're part of the evolution

[01:05:59] [SPEAKER_01]: of this super cool thing that you're so passionate right there's like there's like

[01:06:07] [SPEAKER_01]: i think they make a wing now and they make two models of kites their whole program was

[01:06:11] [SPEAKER_01]: you pay like a subscription we send you kites you give us feedback and we make better versions

[01:06:21] [SPEAKER_01]: and send you those better versions so you get to see the kite get better as you keep on the

[01:06:26] [SPEAKER_01]: program and they use the pool to like source data to make the kites better so instead of

[01:06:33] [SPEAKER_01]: like pro kite boarders to test the kites they're using the general public or whoever wants to sign

[01:06:38] [SPEAKER_01]: up for their program um or their or their brand and i haven't seen them in the wild very much

[01:06:44] [SPEAKER_01]: i've i saw one in the wild because one of our uh people that ride in the kpl he rides one of

[01:06:48] [SPEAKER_01]: their kites it looked really good honestly i was like oh shit this kite looks pretty good

[01:06:52] [SPEAKER_01]: so uh there is a brand that does that like be our tester but there are some people i agree

[01:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: with you there are some people in our weird world of foil tech sailing leisure sports that

[01:07:03] [SPEAKER_01]: to be a part of the process that it gives them pride it um i hate to use the word ego but it

[01:07:10] [SPEAKER_01]: definitely helps them feel important and like you know you've been to wing beaches and wind

[01:07:16] [SPEAKER_01]: beaches around the world sometimes there's a beach marshal and he is self-appointed and

[01:07:19] [SPEAKER_01]: you're like oh that's bob and bob yeah runs this beach and you're like who's bob

[01:07:25] [SPEAKER_01]: bob will tell you everything about the beach and he'll tell you why your foil sucks and

[01:07:29] [SPEAKER_01]: tell you everything like that's that's win sports it's hilarious yeah definitely definitely

[01:07:37] [SPEAKER_00]: so are you getting stoked for a little awsi then i guess it's coming up and

[01:07:42] [SPEAKER_00]: i don't know it's coming up pretty soon actually first yeah it's september

[01:07:46] [SPEAKER_01]: six i think four through the six or maybe it's the fifth through the seventh it's like that

[01:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: first week of september um i get really excited about this event one big thing that

[01:07:58] [SPEAKER_01]: me as a designer even though it puts you behind the ball is you get to see everyone's latest and

[01:08:04] [SPEAKER_01]: greatest like oh everyone's like showing off their wares it's kind of like cool to see everyone

[01:08:09] [SPEAKER_01]: kind of uplift their stuff it lights a fire under your butt as a as a brand you're like

[01:08:14] [SPEAKER_01]: oh man we got to deal with this or we got to like go with this i know personally there's

[01:08:17] [SPEAKER_01]: going to be some cool things um i know the guys at slingshot i was helping them work on

[01:08:22] [SPEAKER_01]: a couple things that before i um departed that company so there's a couple cool things

[01:08:26] [SPEAKER_01]: in the pipeline there i know the nash team have some amazing stuff in line their wings got um a big

[01:08:32] [SPEAKER_01]: over lift and face hall so like there's a lot of cool things going on there i'm sure the

[01:08:38] [SPEAKER_01]: armstrong boys are gonna have something fun i'm sure everyone has something fun um so that's cool

[01:08:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to walk up and down the promenade and struck struck the show you know it's like going to

[01:08:47] [SPEAKER_01]: the car i used to go i grew up in michigan i used to go to the detroit car show where all

[01:08:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the car people used to show up and like wave their wieners around and say like look at our

[01:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: is better than your car and like so it's a little bit like that i also think it's super super

[01:09:02] [SPEAKER_01]: important for our industry to come together and realize that we're here for what the passion

[01:09:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the love like the retailers that you know like in north america some of the retailers aren't

[01:09:17] [SPEAKER_01]: they don't play very well with each other right like they get mad when someone buys all

[01:09:21] [SPEAKER_01]: the closeout stuff and like lowers the price on everything like it's a game right and so

[01:09:25] [SPEAKER_01]: i think it's really good for our whole industry and all the competitive brands to come together

[01:09:31] [SPEAKER_01]: and be like you know what i love all you guys and i love kiteboarding and wind sports and like

[01:09:36] [SPEAKER_01]: let's all keep doing this for another couple years this is a fun it's it's better than a

[01:09:40] [SPEAKER_01]: vacuum trade show it's better than like oh that you know like it's a really cool thing that i

[01:09:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of people look at as maybe oh this is a bunch of work it's cost money for sure to do

[01:09:51] [SPEAKER_01]: the booths and all that stuff and it's like a big promotion it's a lot but i think it's

[01:09:56] [SPEAKER_01]: really important for our industry to kind of honor ourselves and like honor how much we

[01:10:03] [SPEAKER_01]: we have to be grateful for because we get to do our trade show on a beach in hood river

[01:10:08] [SPEAKER_01]: where you can wing out or like one one week of the summer you can kite and wing out of

[01:10:14] [SPEAKER_01]: you can wing out of there anytime you want you can launch kites off the grass

[01:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: they like jesse richman's doing toe ups with a jet ski and like trying to kill himself on

[01:10:22] [SPEAKER_01]: the rocks and like yeah you know like it's just it's it's really rad it's i'm really excited

[01:10:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and then oh also i'll have a little freaking baby attached to me the whole time so that

[01:10:33] [SPEAKER_01]: would be sick imagine that young getting taken all that gear and all dude he's been he he

[01:10:41] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't really stop being active during the pregnancy so i would estimate that the baby

[01:10:48] [SPEAKER_01]: probably has 25 to 35 hours on foil via the womb and then he's already he's already been like

[01:10:59] [SPEAKER_01]: out on the spit like 10 times he's been to the hatchery like six times he's in the mix

[01:11:06] [SPEAKER_01]: already it's sick he's a hood river he's a he's a hood river local like i'm not a hood river

[01:11:12] [SPEAKER_01]: local that's like legendary like he has no idea he's such a lucky little guy all right gwa

[01:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: he's coming yeah i don't know that's a hard one right like we live in a place where we have

[01:11:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the wind sports obviously we have the snow sports where you can go up and do like windels

[01:11:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like hit jumps all summer long we have gnarly access to like not gnarly biking not like squamish

[01:11:38] [SPEAKER_01]: or bc or like that kind of stuff but we have like pretty rowdy mountain biking

[01:11:42] [SPEAKER_01]: arguably the best whitewater kayaking in the west coast are the most prolific like yeah the

[01:11:49] [SPEAKER_01]: rivers here are really prolific and so like it's kind of gnarly to be like okay what

[01:11:54] [SPEAKER_01]: scary thing is the little homie gonna break all his bones out like maybe water is the

[01:11:59] [SPEAKER_01]: best one i hope i don't know but like you never want to do what your dad does like i never wanted

[01:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: to do what my dad did like that's lame so like if dad's kiteboarding he's not gonna want to

[01:12:08] [SPEAKER_00]: kiteboard it's lame yeah you never it's hard to say and when he's older enough to kiteboard

[01:12:14] [SPEAKER_01]: who knows with the with the freaking what's gonna be there with the rate of with the rate

[01:12:18] [SPEAKER_01]: of expansion of the gear right now who even knows maybe it'll be umbrella boarding it'll

[01:12:22] [SPEAKER_01]: be like instead of a para wing it's literally it'll be an umbrella and you just go like you

[01:12:26] [SPEAKER_01]: open it and it's and it just pulls you and then off you go it's like now dude now people are

[01:12:32] [SPEAKER_01]: just foil driving they just go out at the hatchery when it's windy as shit because

[01:12:36] [SPEAKER_01]: there's swell when it's windy and they go upwind in the kind of like where it's not wavy on

[01:12:42] [SPEAKER_01]: the edge of the river and then they go down wind catch a swell pull up off the foil drive

[01:12:49] [SPEAKER_01]: and then just ride the swell down wind they just they just lap themselves with the battery

[01:12:53] [SPEAKER_01]: until the battery runs out and then like when i was in Hatteras like Matt Nuzzo is doing the

[01:12:56] [SPEAKER_01]: same thing he's like going out in the ocean and just getting himself on like swell and then

[01:13:02] [SPEAKER_01]: like foiling on that so like and then you saw the Mr. Bennet's amp lab thing is coming out

[01:13:07] [SPEAKER_01]: which is like a jet the little jet board to get you up so you can like prone paddle into

[01:13:12] [SPEAKER_01]: stuff and like so who knows what the space is gonna look like in even five years like we

[01:13:18] [SPEAKER_01]: wasn't even around five years ago so look at where we're at now like that's true look how fast

[01:13:25] [SPEAKER_01]: foiling has evolved since winging happened like foiling was happening with kiteboarding

[01:13:30] [SPEAKER_01]: like think about where the state of foiling was when all the brand all the kite brands

[01:13:34] [SPEAKER_01]: were making hydrofoils you had lift making really nice race foils for the olympic fleet

[01:13:38] [SPEAKER_01]: people you had um mike's lab making really high-end foils for people you had like

[01:13:44] [SPEAKER_01]: liquid force and slingshot were making aluminum extruded mass no one was doing full carbon sets

[01:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: really unless it was boutique the wings were really low aspect focused on easy learning no

[01:13:57] [SPEAKER_01]: really glide because kite has tons of power then the surf stuff kind of started happening

[01:14:01] [SPEAKER_01]: and then the wing stuff started happening and now look at foils you have high modulus mass

[01:14:06] [SPEAKER_01]: you have multiple mass considerations you have crazy stuff going on with the with what's in

[01:14:11] [SPEAKER_01]: the mast is crazy then the crazy fuselage contraption all that geometry all that stuff

[01:14:17] [SPEAKER_01]: then you have all the stuff that's happening with the glide ratio wings like people are

[01:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: pushing into ar14 the tails are getting crazy you got the efoil is coming you got the all it's

[01:14:27] [SPEAKER_00]: like and that's five years it's like yeah that's true that's so true that it's such

[01:14:35] [SPEAKER_00]: a cool time in the industry though for so much like so much change and so much new

[01:14:41] [SPEAKER_01]: that's pretty sweet i think there's never ever been a better time to get into wind and water

[01:14:48] [SPEAKER_01]: sports there is not only a plethora of great equipment there's there's some bee stuff out

[01:14:55] [SPEAKER_01]: there still you can buy an alibaba wing and get a big i see some here in hood river you're

[01:14:59] [SPEAKER_01]: oh where'd that come from but even nowadays like even a gong wing like is they're like really nice

[01:15:06] [SPEAKER_01]: like no one it's hard to get bad equipment at the moment and there's a plethora of used stuff

[01:15:13] [SPEAKER_01]: because everyone learns on big boards and big foils and then they get told no you need an

[01:15:18] [SPEAKER_01]: ar10 to have fun so then they want high glide and they want new wings they want a lula and

[01:15:23] [SPEAKER_01]: now they're going to want pair of wings and so like the gear turnover is pretty rapid

[01:15:27] [SPEAKER_01]: because the arms race is happening pretty rapidly therefore as a new person when i first got into

[01:15:33] [SPEAKER_01]: kiteboarding kites were 1000 something dollars my board was like it was like five grand for me

[01:15:43] [SPEAKER_01]: to get into kiteboarding and i had a discount at a shop and my mom fronted me a bunch of

[01:15:48] [SPEAKER_01]: money and i was like 19 and i was like want really wanted and i broke so much stuff so

[01:15:54] [SPEAKER_01]: i broke my first board so fast and like so for me it was like really really hard to make it

[01:16:00] [SPEAKER_01]: sustainable for me to get into wind and water sports and this is in 2006 so granted lots

[01:16:05] [SPEAKER_01]: changed since then but nowadays if you're a person trying to get into this and you have

[01:16:10] [SPEAKER_01]: the internet and a savvy consumer and you live in like anywhere where you have access

[01:16:15] [SPEAKER_01]: to wind and water sports there's a plethora of gear and through the covid surplus thing that

[01:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: companies surfboard companies like hey the surplus thing that's happening in wind and water sports

[01:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: is happening everywhere it's not it's not hard to find a wing for less than 500

[01:16:34] [SPEAKER_01]: dollars even brand new they might be last year's wing but guess what even last year's wings are

[01:16:40] [SPEAKER_01]: still pretty good and you can get some cheap gear and like you don't need to spend five

[01:16:45] [SPEAKER_01]: thousand dollars well depends on how many hydrofoils you buy and how many carbon boards

[01:16:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you buy and stuff but like i think the the the entry bite into the wind sports right now has never

[01:16:57] [SPEAKER_01]: been um easier to digest and it's safer than it's ever been if you look at kiteboarding

[01:17:04] [SPEAKER_01]: it's significantly safer the kites have tons of d power there it's easier to jump it's easier

[01:17:10] [SPEAKER_01]: to kite loop like it's it's easier too the winging has offered anyone who's scared of that

[01:17:19] [SPEAKER_01]: accelerative kiteboarding situation and access to the water at multiple water entry points that

[01:17:25] [SPEAKER_01]: were never accessible by a kite because you can literally paddle your board out and you have

[01:17:30] [SPEAKER_01]: something that is not physically going to throw you like it is very hard to hold on to a wing

[01:17:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to get thrown across the beach so all those people that were concerned about wind sports

[01:17:40] [SPEAKER_01]: because they were scared of kiteboarding um they now have access and they were maybe

[01:17:46] [SPEAKER_01]: not into windsurfing because it was too much gear and you had to have a van and a trailer and know

[01:17:50] [SPEAKER_01]: how to downhaul and outhaul and like all that and like it's hard on the body windsurfing like

[01:17:55] [SPEAKER_01]: from what i understand i mean you know how to do it it's hard the progression is hard to

[01:17:59] [SPEAKER_01]: learn to water start to jive to do that's hard winging is is hard too i think kiteboarding

[01:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: is the easiest one to like just to get someone up on a board riding with a kite you

[01:18:10] [SPEAKER_01]: can do it in one day if you're diligent winging maybe who knows when they're going to

[01:18:16] [SPEAKER_01]: ride on a hydrofoil that's a that's a big maybe right if you have all your tools at your

[01:18:21] [SPEAKER_01]: disposable like you have a you have a boat to tow them maybe an efoil to help them you have

[01:18:26] [SPEAKER_01]: wind you have you have all the things maybe you could do it in two days maybe but windsurfing

[01:18:31] [SPEAKER_01]: sounds like uh you can get someone on a giant board in a tiny sail in like 10 seconds

[01:18:37] [SPEAKER_01]: but to like plane is like really hard right so i think winging offers a very non-intimidating

[01:18:47] [SPEAKER_01]: entry into the sport my local beach is filled with young kids older women older guys the

[01:18:54] [SPEAKER_01]: demographic at my at the hatchery and the lure jensen which is our local wing beach here in

[01:19:00] [SPEAKER_01]: hood river is it's kiteboarding has never looked like this for me and i've been in

[01:19:05] [SPEAKER_01]: kiteboarding for a really long time it's it's never been this inclusive it feels so awesome

[01:19:13] [SPEAKER_01]: like it feels so rad and so i encourage everyone right now if they have access to

[01:19:18] [SPEAKER_01]: this it's a great time it's a great time and you should foil foiling is amazing

[01:19:23] [SPEAKER_01]: foiling is like so fun it's like you know you tell people they should ride powder you

[01:19:28] [SPEAKER_01]: tell people they should get barreled when they're surfing you tell people they should

[01:19:31] [SPEAKER_01]: when i was into paragliding i'm like oh my god you'll never know

[01:19:35] [SPEAKER_01]: true freedom until you fly like a bird you're like you know you find your addiction that you

[01:19:40] [SPEAKER_01]: have to tell people this is you'll never be the same after you do this i remember

[01:19:44] [SPEAKER_01]: the first time i carved like the deep end of an eight foot like bowl on a skateboard and got

[01:19:51] [SPEAKER_01]: like pushed into my skateboard and like jeet out and like that's one of those feelings that

[01:19:56] [SPEAKER_01]: i love you can get it on the snowboard and like a bank slalom run you can get like

[01:20:00] [SPEAKER_01]: g'd out on the snow or like pushed into the snow foiling is kind of like that it's like one of

[01:20:05] [SPEAKER_01]: those sensations that you're like man you just got to kind of do it to get it and you

[01:20:09] [SPEAKER_01]: should be doing it it's it's we're alive at a unique time in history get yourself some

[01:20:15] [SPEAKER_01]: weird carbon or aluminum and float fly above the water just do it already it's phenomenal

[01:20:20] [SPEAKER_00]: we have to we have to well hey man i think that's a good place to wrap it up

[01:20:26] [SPEAKER_00]: thanks a lot for coming on thanks a lot for sharing and once again congratulations for your

[01:20:32] [SPEAKER_00]: little one and looking forward to the future thank you so much i want to apologize if i

[01:20:39] [SPEAKER_01]: am chatty because since the brain injury i can't stop talking and at least love it man at least

[01:20:45] [SPEAKER_01]: you're getting a couple things in but like a couple months ago you would not get a single

[01:20:50] [SPEAKER_01]: sentence in i would just talk at you for six hours and kind of aggressively too like kind

[01:20:57] [SPEAKER_01]: of like talk at you like i'd be telling you that you're dumb and like it was like

[01:21:02] [SPEAKER_01]: it was like insane it's fun to laugh about now it's kind of hilarious i know but um yeah

[01:21:08] [SPEAKER_01]: so if there's anything there you're just like oh my god he went off for 10 minutes about this

[01:21:12] [SPEAKER_01]: just like cut me i had a when i'm having it we made it we're making a documentary

[01:21:17] [SPEAKER_01]: crazy enough about my brain injury and all this stuff and like at some points in the documentary

[01:21:22] [SPEAKER_01]: they had to learn that they have to ding me because they put the camera on me and start

[01:21:26] [SPEAKER_01]: hit record and would ask me a question and my answer would be like 25 minutes and they'd be

[01:21:31] [SPEAKER_01]: like oh wow we got to edit this bro like what are you doing and i was like well just

[01:21:37] [SPEAKER_01]: like ding me and like my wife dings me like people are just like that's enough like you're

[01:21:42] [SPEAKER_01]: boom you're done and like i had to like people would have to raise their hands

[01:21:46] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah hello i have something to say crazy so i just wanted to take one last second before

[01:21:53] [SPEAKER_01]: we wrap here to let everyone know um two big things i am super grateful that you had a

[01:21:59] [SPEAKER_01]: second to listen that this matter to you i think it's really important that we connect

[01:22:03] [SPEAKER_01]: community and i really take that as a as a big piece to my heart that like people care

[01:22:10] [SPEAKER_01]: and then i can like offer something to people it means a lot to me and then the second piece

[01:22:14] [SPEAKER_01]: of advice that i want to give to people is hug your loved ones and and practice your

[01:22:19] [SPEAKER_01]: gratitude every day because things can happen really quickly and you never know what life

[01:22:24] [SPEAKER_01]: has got in store for you and you never know what's going to be one second from now and so

[01:22:31] [SPEAKER_01]: don't wait like tell people you love them give people hugs like be be the person that you

[01:22:38] [SPEAKER_01]: want to be shine brightly in the world because the world needs it and like

[01:22:42] [SPEAKER_01]: there's no reason not to because it's short life's short so practice your gratitude be

[01:22:48] [SPEAKER_01]: appreciative of everything and have some fun in this wild crazy situation that our winging is

[01:22:54] [SPEAKER_01]: giving us like it's it's get ready for another wild ride it's going to be a weird one

[01:23:00] [SPEAKER_00]: yep it was gonna be fun though hey thanks a lot brandon it was it was great to get to spend

[01:23:05] [SPEAKER_00]: some time with you and um yeah just it was nice to chat