Episode #93 - Cash Berzolla

Cash (00:00.12)
This is all I got.

Luc Moore (00:00.643)
That's alright. You got some nice guns back there. Why don't you just show us your guns before we get this whole show started?

Cash (00:09.966)
Yeah, these are the scary boards. Yeah, they're no joke. One's an 8.0 and the other one's 9.4. So, you know, depending on if I'm trying to kill myself or not. We'll take these suckers off the wall and give her a go. But I think our winter's winding down now, so yeah, I don't know how much these are going to get pulled out this summer.

Luc Moore (00:15.465)
shit.

Luc Moore (00:27.391)
Hehehehe

Cash (00:40.086)
Yeah, maybe some longboarding.

Luc Moore (00:40.386)
Well this last... This last weekend, right? We had a pretty decent swell come through.

Cash (00:46.134)
Yeah, think this is probably, hopefully not, but it was probably our last swell. I mean, what is it? It's April now. It's like almost mid April. So, you know, it's pretty unusual to have such a big swell here. And yeah, we got lucky and I was on island for it. So that was awesome.

Luc Moore (00:54.144)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (01:03.721)
Nice, where did you get out?

Cash (01:06.282)
I ended up actually winging Pier 1, which is this wave right outside Kahului Harbor here on Maui. And yeah, was very scared. It was a little bit bigger than I thought it would be, and I've never wing foiled that wave in general. I've always just toe foiled it and toe surfed it. So it was a first for me.

Luc Moore (01:26.23)
Really?

Cash (01:35.886)
The pictures came out pretty well. It definitely looks smaller than it felt, but that's how goes. It was a fun, fun session. Good to push myself. I got to ride with Jesse Richmond and Pottery out there. It was interesting to see them kite it, which was really cool. Maybe one day. It was nuking, so I don't know how they were doing it, but my arms are ripping out of their sockets.

Luc Moore (01:38.367)
Nice. Yeah.

Luc Moore (01:59.327)
Yeah. I can imagine. I saw Jesse in the parking lot. I think he put his float vest on because he said a couple of the times he got worked was out that way.

Cash (02:09.678)
Yeah, he, uh, I was actually coming down the hill and he called me. We're going up here one. You're coming. I was like, okay. I'm going to bring my impact vest and you know, or my impact suit just versus a float. And he's like, I'm putting everything on. I'm like, Oh no, that's not good. So yeah, yeah. was, you know, safety precautions. So I think we all had a little bit of extra, um, float.

Luc Moore (02:33.546)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (02:37.717)
Yeah, that makes sense. makes sense. Talking about those guns behind you, obviously they're custom. Is that something that you talk to Keith about and say, hey, I'm looking for this and this? How does that process go?

Cash (02:50.614)
Yeah, you know, I've always written, or not always, but for a long time now I've written Keith's short boards and now guns, just because he makes some of the best in the world and he's right down the road. So, you know, it's available and they work really well. you know, something I can trust my life with. They're very, they work very well, like I said.

Luc Moore (03:15.008)
Yeah that's important. Alright so GWA congratulations again. You're maintaining your kingship at the top of the mountain. How does that feel?

Cash (03:23.182)
Thank you.

Cash (03:30.254)
It feels good. We only had one event this year, which was a bummer. you know, I don't know how, how, uh, how that really qualifies me as world champion, but, know, we're going to take it nonetheless. And, um, uh, for me, it was just really good to take a win there in Cabo Verde cause you know, last year I was really close with Malo and, um, I felt like I was riding really well. Um, not better than him apparently, but, uh, this year I got to squeak it out and, um,

Luc Moore (03:34.783)
Hmm.

Luc Moore (03:56.0)
Yeah.

Cash (03:58.702)
I wasn't even a final against Molly, I was against my buddy, Finn Spencer, who also lives here on Maui. It's always a treat to have a heat, nonetheless a final with a friend that you train with here. I spent a lot of time at Finn's house, actually, probably more than he likes. He's kind of on the way home for me. I live up the mountain and he's right down by the beach, so I don't feel like driving home. I just kind of hang out in this driveway.

Luc Moore (04:02.794)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (04:17.056)
You

Luc Moore (04:22.976)
That was sick. That's cool. Yeah, it a good fight. It was a good final. You guys were both pulling out some good stuff like, and the waves were firing pretty decently for you.

Cash (04:28.576)
Yeah.

Cash (04:36.622)
Yeah, you know, it wasn't as crazy as that first year that I did it back in 2024. But, you know, we were stoked with the ways we got and I think our heat was actually kind of slow, but we made it work and there was definitely some rides to be had.

Luc Moore (04:42.217)
Hmm.

Luc Moore (04:54.622)
Yeah, yeah. Anything kind of new that you're working on for this year? Because last time we chatted, you were just all about backgammon and freaking making sure you're going to maintain your island championship. But any cool trips and stuff coming up?

Cash (05:02.295)
Yeah.

Cash (05:09.774)
You know, definitely still trying to maintain the backgammon mindset. Oscar is coming to Maui all of July. So, you know, it is down season. It's coming up. Summer is upon us. And, you know, I don't know if it's down season or backgammon season. It's time to whip that Aussie into shape. So, you know, I'm training on the phone, you know, more than I foil for the backgammon. And, you know, I can't let them have the bragging rights. But in terms of

Luc Moore (05:17.355)
yeah, downwind season.

Luc Moore (05:36.818)
That's why you can't land those foil slides anymore. That's why you're slipping.

Cash (05:40.108)
I know, I know, literally, literally slipping. But in terms of trips, you know, I don't have anything specifically lined up. You know, you got to keep it a little hush hush. You guys have to wait. We just had an amazing shoot in New Zealand with the whole team. We've got Olivia on the team now as well as Annie Reichert. So that was awesome to get some new female riders in the mix. And I think this year is going to be super interesting because, you know, I don't know if you've had them on the podcast yet, but.

Luc Moore (05:51.913)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (05:59.608)
no way. Yeah.

Cash (06:10.218)
They're super interesting people and they both rip. So yeah, it was interesting shoot to say the least. didn't have Annie, but we had Olivia. We had a really big crew there actually. Who do we have? had, I think Aiden was there, Olivia was there. We had Rio Stevens from Oahu, amazing kiter and really talented wing foiler as well. So he was whipping us into shape and showing us the ropes a bit.

Luc Moore (06:10.396)
Not yet.

Luc Moore (06:28.223)
.

Cash (06:36.75)
But yeah, we had a really solid, we had Naomi from Tahiti who came down. Apparently she knows Jiu-Jitsu. That didn't end well for me. Yeah. But it was a good crew and yeah, no, but she runs faster. So yeah, yeah, it's not good. Hate to see it, but yeah, the shoot was great. New Zealand's absolutely beautiful.

Luc Moore (06:43.807)
You run fast, I hope.

Yeah, shit, alright, alright, nevermind.

Cash (07:03.198)
I think we've got some cool stuff. that all of that should be in the the new Wing Mark II release for I think this month or next month.

Luc Moore (07:13.182)
How many times have you been to New Zealand? Is that one of your first or?

Cash (07:16.906)
It's my second time now. The first time actually I went was for my first GWA comp, as well as an Armstrong shoot. kind of one of the same, a two birds with one stone kind of trip. But I went down to, where was it? was Mount Maunganui. They had a freestyle, it was like a wave freestyle slash slalom race. yeah, it was my first event and the wind was

Luc Moore (07:19.026)
Yeah?

Cash (07:45.966)
Super light, you know, I was on like the 27 liter back in the day and just frothing here because we have so much wind and got there and it was you know, 12 knots and Below that and I was just struggling and trying to make the best of it but we had some fun and you know, I made a few heats and got to see what the What the freestyle was all about back in the day. It was It it was looking back I thought it was crazy then and

Luc Moore (07:53.17)
Yeah.

Cash (08:14.464)
Now it's just out of control. You know, the tricks that they're doing are dumbfounding. You know, their warmup is what the tens were back in the day. So, and what I mean back in the day, you know, that was just like a years ago. Yeah. When the knees worked.

Luc Moore (08:22.782)
Yeah. Two years ago? Yeah, when we were all young, Now, yeah, you know. Well, I was in Mexico this winter and like it was Benjamin and Chris throwing down and I was actually out in the water with them one time just watching and yeah, was pretty crazy stuff, man.

Cash (08:46.156)
It's hard to fathom. Yeah, I actually got to meet Benjamin for the first time. I've known Chris for a few years now and got to meet him and saw there and yeah, all he wanted me to do was double backflip and I told him, choose life. I just want my neck in one piece after this trip. I want to go home walking. So, they're out of control and super talented. It's really cool to see.

Luc Moore (08:51.037)
Oh yeah, in Cabrera.

Luc Moore (09:10.183)
He's-

Luc Moore (09:14.75)
He says he does his first one, I think, eyes closed and opens them when he's like three quarters away through his first rotation or something or second rotation. So it's like, and then he opens them, he sees the water and he throws it again.

Cash (09:22.488)
That's good.

Cash (09:26.08)
Yeah, see, I'm just like, I don't want to do that. We've tried doubles, like, towing out on the ski and like, just, my air awareness, I guess, is not there. You know, after your first one, you get extended and it gets sketchy.

Luc Moore (09:37.927)
lawyer

Yeah. Well, the wave awareness is there, which is what discipline you're in. So that's all right. Right.

Cash (09:47.502)
Yeah, yeah, I guess, I guess as I grew up in waves and surfing, it's kind of built in. But yeah, the freestyle is definitely new to me. And I guess that's what we started doing, though, winging. Like, I didn't start winging in waves at all. It was all flat water and, you know, little bumps here and there, but nothing like we're doing now.

Luc Moore (10:00.285)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (10:06.364)
Yeah. Yeah. Do you know where waves is going next? Like how is it to hold your handle like the, wing hit, like last year you had the flag out. So how has that rule changed and how do you think it impacted the contest?

Cash (10:20.012)
I think it's really good. You know, I watched the thing from our video actually that Keith was narrating and they were talking about the one of the first windsurf comps at Cape Verde there at Punta Preta. It started off where they were, I think they were judging, you know, straight airs down the wave higher than turns because they didn't really know how hard turning and, you know, carving on the way with a windsurf setup was. And I think maybe

foiling kind of started in the opposite direction and we started just doing carves and flagging out the wing. And now we're allowed to use the power and to do those crazy, clearing those sections in crazy ways. And it's kind of flipped. Whether it's harder or not, it kind of depends on what section you hit and how you land back into the wave. If you just do it on the shoulder like a little bunny hop, it's just a little straight air that

You know, the judges are really good and they're not judging it highly, which they did a very good job. This last comp of not scoring, you know, power up maneuvers as high as crazy, depowered maneuvers. So, I think because for, are a lot easier to an extent. once you start hitting huge sections and landing like in the whitewater, it's definitely harder.

Luc Moore (11:34.352)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (11:46.36)
But if you do that same thing depowered, is quite difficult.

Luc Moore (11:52.528)
Well yeah, like if you're almost like hitting off the lip depowered versus powered, I guess there's pretty big difference there, right?

Cash (11:57.996)
Yeah, and you can't like fully clear like a huge section. You can clear little sections depowered, but it is a lot harder. You know, you don't have the wing to lean off and balance against. you know, it is to an extent.

Luc Moore (12:13.669)
You certainly have that cinematic effect though, it definitely adds a little pop I think for people watching because you have that like drift and that massive thing crumbling behind you. It does look pretty cool. So maybe that'll be something that the audience likes too.

Cash (12:27.886)
Yeah, I think, you know, adding diversity and trying to mix it up as much as you can is a perfect way. Like if you can ride a wave, de-powered and make it look super flowy and beautiful and then power up and hit the close out section and, you know, right away, I think that's kind of what winging is. You have a wing for a reason and, you you got to use it. So, mixing everything into there of all your, all the maneuvers you can possibly think of into one wave is ideal.

Luc Moore (12:45.573)
Hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Cash (12:56.206)
It doesn't work out that way all the time.

Luc Moore (12:59.565)
no, but then we'll be looking at what, like 360s or 720s or backflips or front flips powered up on the wave now.

Cash (13:06.806)
Yeah, you know, there, there is a difference. And I think the GWA did a really good job of making it clear. Like doing a backflip on a wave is different than doing a backflip off, off the lip and landing back. And it's, it's way harder. You know, at that point, it's kind of, if you're just doing it on the wave, it is freestyle and it looks cool. I do a bunch back home. It's fun. And I think it adds that diversity and, you know, awe effect to, to the riding.

Luc Moore (13:25.595)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (13:34.958)
But if you can do those things off the lip, I've seen Molo, Huck crazy maneuvers off the lip, know, back mobs, or not back mobs, but Palouse. And I've seen guys try front flips. That's definitely something that I think wave riding is gonna go. Like that's the direction that I think it will go. It's gonna be more windsurfing style. At least at Ho'okipa, where I ride a lot, you know, where I'm just trying to copy the windsurfers and basically everything, whether that be a...

Luc Moore (13:57.005)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (14:05.55)
foil slide to get spray on a down carb or do a 360 off the lip trying to replicate a goiter or something. It's definitely gonna, we're gonna start going in that direction. It's just me lacking and not trying it.

Luc Moore (14:14.221)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (14:23.077)
That's fair, but your dad's a windsurfer, right?

Cash (14:26.062)
My dad is squarely not a windsurfer. He, he, no, he never did any wind sports. Tried to get him into foiling. It's a slow go. We'll just say that he started surfing. But yeah, he got me into surfing and taught me how to surf. So that's where the dad comes in, but never any wind sports. He always pushed to do wind sports. Like, Hey, you're on Maui, you know, it's windy 90 % of the time, you know.

Luc Moore (14:28.305)
no, it's Kiter.

Luc Moore (14:37.85)
That's fair.

Cash (14:54.998)
I don't want you sitting at home playing video games. Go, go into windsurf. Yeah. Yeah. And it was actually my mom who got me into winging. was living with my mom at the time and yeah, sitting at home and it was summer, think mid COVID, I think we've talked about this and there wasn't anything going on. And my friend, Marley Franco was learning to wing and he needed a buddy and my mom was like, get out of the house. You're going to learn to wing. So we bought a wing and

I was using Marley's foil set up and board and then eventually got my own second hand board and stuff and then fell into Armstrong.

Luc Moore (15:30.039)
Yeah. Yeah.

Luc Moore (15:35.449)
Sick man, sick. And now you got, I don't know, a couple of world championships under your belt, some amazing trips, and you're still pushing the level, like pushing the level beyond anybody else. How does that feel to be kind of at that cutting edge a little bit of what can be done, not only on a wave, but wing foiling in general?

Cash (15:57.006)
Yeah, it feels good. I've never put any pressure on myself to wing and even in competitions, I've always been there out of joy. And I do, you know, 99 % of the things in the water for the fun of it and because I love it. You know, the guns are here because I love big waves and I love pushing myself in the ocean. But, you know, foiling is...

Luc Moore (16:09.113)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cash (16:25.396)
opened up so many doors for me and changed my life really ever since I started it with Armstrong and you know they've given me an opportunity of a lifetime really and yeah just I've never I love when people say you're at the you know cutting edge or you're pushing the sport and you know it's just me having fun and trying new things with my friends here on Maui so yeah it feels good but there's not really too much.

Luc Moore (16:45.11)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (16:52.6)
Pressure, I don't put too much pressure on myself, I guess you could say.

Luc Moore (16:56.53)
That's what I kind of feel the vibe. I haven't been to Maui in like 10 years and that's what I feel the vibe about off all the riders here that truly love what they're doing. It's that lifestyle plus they're just doing it to push because they just love what they're doing. It's not necessarily a crazy amount of pressure. So it is palpable. I've been to other spots where it's a little bit different, but anyways, it feels good to be back on island for that for sure. And I guess it's just going to get windier and windier, right? As we all prep for downwind.

Cash (17:26.702)
Yeah, know, waves are going to kind of start to die off, but it's just going to start nuking and we'll hopefully get some wind swell here and there to ride. But it's squarely downwind season for sure. yeah, I mean, the vibe on Maui is something very unique. I've seen stuff similar in like Tarifa where, you know, they have clubs on the beach really designed for wing foiling and stuff like that. We don't quite have that on Maui, but we do have the designated crew of

of foilers, downwinders, wingers, windsurfers. And it's crazy, know, people move here to windsurf. You know, you meet people who have been here for 30 years who came over to windsurf Ho'keba. And it's a really cool niche group of people. You know, I grew up in the surfing world forever, like you guys know, but there are sections of it that, you know,

Luc Moore (18:08.258)
Yeah. Yeah.

Cash (18:22.358)
you don't necessarily like or it's really core. And yeah, that is surfing. That's why I love it. There's just parts of it that are crazy. But for wing-foiling, it's like everyone is just super stoked to be there and want to talk to you and want to know what you're riding. And it can get annoying sometimes, you know, because you end up like being at the beach and not getting in the water for 30 minutes because you're talking about a tail wing or a shin. I don't know. It works.

Luc Moore (18:37.208)
Yeah.

Cash (18:50.798)
And now I love it. Like I'll talk for hours on end about foils, but you know, at the beginning I was kind of like, I just want to get in the water.

Luc Moore (18:50.988)
Well that's normally... Yeah.

Luc Moore (19:00.088)
Well, that's celebrity status, young man. That's what happens. But no, I'm kidding. It's just people are friendly here. Yeah.

Cash (19:06.123)
I mean, I don't even think it's necessarily celebrity status. It's just like, I swear, it's the group. Yeah, and I think the community of foiling and wind sports in general is pretty nice.

Luc Moore (19:18.623)
Yeah. Well, I went to Kanawha yesterday. I brought my mom and we met like an older gentleman who was 75 who had a sweet van. And I think I would have been there for 45 minutes just chatting. But I was like, I got to go catch my first. But yeah, they're just super friendly people. yeah. Are you going to be competing in the Triple Crown and stuff looking at that?

Cash (19:36.824)
Yeah.

Cash (19:42.542)
I will be. I think I'm going to actually wing it this year. All three events. So we'll see how it goes. I've never really wing raced except for that first time in New Zealand with the GWA. And yeah, it'll be something new. just want to do the... Last year I did everything on downwind, so I thought I'd switch it up this year and do some wing foiling. And maybe we'll see if we can regular paddle Maokai to Oahu. So we'll see.

Luc Moore (19:44.247)
Nice. Okay.

Cash (20:12.279)
if I can rally.

Luc Moore (20:12.447)
Okay. There's a lot of big names that are, that are doing that. Like even I was talking to Alan Kediz there not a little while ago and his, his entire crew, like there's so many people doing these races.

Cash (20:26.368)
Yeah, it is, it's crazy how many applicants they get for not just the Triple Crown, but mainly M2M and M2O. I think the registration, you're on a wait list as soon as you enter basically. There's just people waiting to click in, which is cool. It's really awesome to see.

Luc Moore (20:42.365)
Mm. Like, fine.

It's like buying hockey tickets in Canada. You gotta be on that the day of, Nice, all right, any kind of, training for that, obviously you'll be picking foils and different gear based on the conditions of that day. Like, is there anything that you prepare for that to stay competitive?

Cash (20:50.646)
Yeah, seriously.

Yeah.

Cash (21:06.574)
You know, in terms of the competitive side, I've, you know, in terms of gear, I've always tried to keep, you know, my gear really simple. It's like the same. Yeah, if it works, then don't branch off, which is hard in the foil world. And it's definitely hard to find what you like because there is so many things that you just run and so many variations of foil setups. And for

Luc Moore (21:21.143)
Hmm.

Cash (21:34.51)
Competing I found like a board that I can kind of get up in any wind depending on how big of a wing I have and then now I can keep a foil. Usually I'd bring a bigger foil just in case like if I go to Morocco I'm riding a bigger foil because that wave is it's mushy and it doesn't have that much power. So I can't ride the MA 625. I definitely could but it just it allows me to kind of stay in the pocket more with the MA 800. So that it kind of differs.

Luc Moore (22:02.812)
Okay.

Cash (22:03.884)
like where I'm going, if I understand what the wave's doing. Usually on trips, you know, with Armstrong in terms of shooting and stuff, depending on what I'm doing, if I'm proning, towing, or foiling, I'll bring different setups, conditions, not too much. Like I keep the same mass for winging at least and a tail. I know what I like for the different...

parts of foiling, whether that be toe foiling, wing foiling, or proning. I'll change my setup pretty drastically.

Luc Moore (22:32.084)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (22:38.903)
Okay, all right. Well, they're long races and so anyways, let us know how those things go and we're going to be kind of watching them a little bit more this year than we did last year. I know here I'm at Maui Foil House, Kevin's probably going to be heading out to check out that place and I think he got into one of them so he's pretty stoked to be able to compete. yeah, man, any kind of anything else you want to share that's new because we haven't caught up in a little while?

Cash (23:07.424)
No, know, same old, same old, I'm still like 160 pounds. Yeah. I know. I know. I gotta start beefing up for downwind season apparently. yeah, no, mainly just working the mind. Gotta take Oscar out. It's going down.

Luc Moore (23:13.418)
Come to the gym. Come gym with us.

Luc Moore (23:21.514)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (23:25.558)
Okay. Okay. Sick. All right.

Cash (23:29.55)
But yeah, have you been up to? I know you've been on my way down for about a month, almost a month, right? Or has it been a few weeks? You're here till the end of the month. That's what it was.

Luc Moore (23:36.36)
Yeah, yeah, I've been here. Yeah, I'm here till the end of the month. My mom just flew in yesterday. So we're gonna be going winging at the harbor. So I'm gonna give her some pointers there, cause she started winging last year on a SUP and this year, we're gonna see if we can get her up on foil. So that would be pretty fun. Apart from that, I've just been riding Kaa a ton. It's my first time winging here and it's been absolutely phenomenal. Super, super fun.

Cash (23:54.702)
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Luc Moore (24:05.948)
And I got a bunch of gear off the guys at Quatro Goya yesterday for windsurfing and I caught my first windsurfing wave of my life here. Sick! So that was fun. I know. That was pretty fun actually. I went around that weird wave at uppers, found a channel, and then caught a couple ones, and then ended up down at middles or lowers and then climbed my way back up. But anyway, it a pretty fun moment actually. I'd been waiting for that for a long time. So, yeah.

Cash (24:13.006)
Nice. Sick. Well, we got some firsts. That's awesome.

Cash (24:23.949)
Yes.

Cash (24:33.976)
Sweet. mean, Kanaha and are kind of an all-time winsport playground, especially Ka'a. It doesn't really get better. I've been around the world and Ka'a is probably my favorite place to wing. It's just literally a playground. You know, could get a little bit of everything there. So yeah, you're scoring.

Luc Moore (24:38.737)
so cruisy.

Yeah.

Luc Moore (24:52.231)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know man like March was insane. It was almost out every day so practicing a bunch of different stuff out there and just getting used to the vibe and the people and so I canes dad there quite a bit and King goes out and a whole bunch of other people go out there so it's such a sick spot

Cash (25:08.608)
Yeah, it's a cool thing. You'll go by people that you have to do the double take. Wait a minute. Kane? Candy Kane?

Luc Moore (25:16.062)
guess what? Guess what? Yesterday we went to Mono Foods and mom and I were shopping and we saw Steven Tyler, the main singer of Aerosmith. We're like, wait a second. He had a little entourage around him and he was so chill. And I was like, I know him. And then whatever, we didn't bug him. Lifted up right in the middle. It was kind of cool.

Cash (25:21.388)
Uh-huh. Uh-oh.

Cash (25:26.946)
See? Yeah, like...

Yeah.

Cash (25:34.036)
Nice. Please sign my test.

Cash (25:40.91)
Did pull out a guitar right there? I'm singing. Dream on. Is it dream on?

Luc Moore (25:45.493)
I can't go. Oh, there were like 50 songs, 60 songs. Anyways.

Cash (25:52.95)
Yeah, like that. You find people, you just say, wait a minute, you live here? Hold on. Yeah, or the visitor.

Luc Moore (25:58.665)
Yeah, we're waiting to see the rock, you know, waiting to run into the rock or something. Janssen.

Cash (26:03.284)
Yeah, right? Yeah, you never know. I actually, never seen them. Yeah, you'd be like, bro, what's the secret? How many protein do you How many protein do eat day? Yeah, you need to work everything. Exactly. Exactly. It's gonna get you ripped, but you're gonna be bald next month.

Luc Moore (26:06.869)
That'd be something. Ask him to go lift. No?

Luc Moore (26:14.549)
Let's go left, What kind of HGH are you on?

Luc Moore (26:24.509)
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be a problem. No, no, no, All right, so anything else cool, any kind of cool things coming up that you wanna share or are you kinda laying low and taking, you're taking a gap here, right?

Cash (26:28.056)
take up.

Cash (26:39.446)
I am ending my gap year. Yeah, I'm doing some online school through a college on Oahu or a university for the outside people listening. College slash university. So doing some classes. I actually have not picked my classes yet. I am applying right now. It's a liberal arts, I think, focused with business in there, something like that. Yeah, I'm not sure if I got that right, but.

Luc Moore (26:41.8)
Okay.

Luc Moore (26:53.416)
Good for you. What are you taking?

Luc Moore (26:58.237)
Okay.

Cash (27:07.63)
It's business-oriented.

Luc Moore (27:10.942)
Business is a good thing to learn moving forward. think having those skills in your back pocket would be a great idea. Balance sheets and stuff.

Cash (27:17.696)
Yeah, know, we'll see. know the world is kind of, or at least the United States is kind of going crazy right now. But yeah, we'll see how it goes. I'll let you know how courses start to go. Did you go to college? What was your plan after high school?

Luc Moore (27:30.791)
Okay.

I to university for health sciences. So I did a four degree year degree in that, got my bachelor's and I started training athletes super young actually. So I was working with hockey athletes and general population people and that's where I started. And then I did that, I've been doing that on and off consulting for like 15, 20 years now. yeah, it's pretty fun and I love training. like I...

Cash (27:48.098)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (28:01.437)
pretty happy I found this new gym fusion fit up in Haiku and yeah getting back into it because I gotta you know build myself up to compete with myself and I think that's one of the most fun things I can do to just have more fun out there and started training with Sarah Hauser of NC6 there she trains us in Haiku

Cash (28:05.147)
yeah.

Cash (28:21.516)
Nice. Yep, see?

Luc Moore (28:22.846)
getting ready. We did a cool circuit there last week and it was like eight pull-ups, battle rope, this core exercise and then breath holds. So just starting to get into that. Cause my goal and dream is to just be able to surf like like wind surf ho kipa, not massive days, but comfortable. yeah, so I got to start training for breath holds for that. For let's say big days going back to Pier 1.

Cash (28:43.18)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (28:50.855)
Like how much time do you guys put into breath holds and all that kind of stuff just in case you do get worked?

Cash (28:56.994)
Yeah, you know, during the winter season or kind of our, you know, heavy season for waves, I don't train too much on breath holds, you every now and then do like a small workout or definitely do cardio. We do a lot of cardio. So like working the cardio route is important. And that's what I do. I know a lot of guys like to practice their breath holds and go into the pool. And when I can, I definitely do.

Luc Moore (29:12.743)
Okay.

Cash (29:23.628)
I'll sneak over to Annie, Annie Riker's house. has a pool there and go with Finn and the Spencer's and do some, some breath hold training. but it's not, it's not as regular as I wish it was. but for me, it's just cardio, like a shit ton of cardio.

Luc Moore (29:36.656)
Hmm.

Luc Moore (29:41.477)
Okay, but you still have a decent number under your belt. So if anything does happen, you're you're relatively fine.

Cash (29:46.922)
Yeah, yeah. mean, I like to dive and spearfish and all that. And my breath hole is definitely not up there with, you know, the best guys, just because I don't do it enough. I'm usually doing the activities that require the breath hold. But I think the really important thing about it is like, you could be the best guy out there. And if you're not able to be calm, like we do a lot of training of how to like lower your heart rate and

Luc Moore (29:55.613)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (30:00.871)
Yeah.

Cash (30:14.862)
become calm when you shouldn't be calm. And that helps with, you you're only under for 10, 10 seconds, you know, 10, 20 seconds, maybe 30 on like a really bad one. But just kind of thinking about that. And it is hard to, when you're in a wipeout of sorts, but you know, with the pole vest and on all that stuff, it usually is about a 10 second car crash.

Luc Moore (30:17.756)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (30:29.075)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (30:46.149)
Really? That little, Huh, even on a big massive one.

Cash (30:48.054)
Yeah. A big massive one. depends. really, it all depends on where you fall. Like you could get pounded to the rocks at Jaws and, and get the worst beating your life, or you could pop straight up the back. It really depends on where you fall. mean, either one's going to suck, but you kind of just prepare for the worst and, and yeah, but breath hold training works great. I think spending a lot of time in the water is key.

Luc Moore (30:54.214)
Okay.

Yeah.

Luc Moore (31:01.212)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (31:15.278)
But there is only so much of that you can do. So doing breathable training and running or swimming is super good to keep your cardio up.

Luc Moore (31:24.085)
Yeah, that's fair. Speaking about Jaws, obviously you probably caught Kai's pairwing in his exploits over the weekend. What do you think about that?

Cash (31:34.08)
Yeah, well, I was at Pier One. He drove by frothing with his entourage of gentlemen and ladies. yeah, I think he tried just about every sport. He might not have kited, but he tried to do as many sports as he possibly could in one day. And that's like the only Kai thing. Maybe he could replicate it, man, I think he even did wing surfing.

Luc Moore (31:43.313)
Yeah.

Cash (32:03.47)
I don't know how many days. he towed, I don't think he paddled, it was too windy. So he just towed, tow foiled, windsurfed, wing foiled it, wing surfed it, and then parawinged it. So it was like six or seven, six or seven sports in one day. I was like, okay. The parawing thing was crazy as, yeah, I don't know how much he's done that, but yeah. I haven't done it a few times. I didn't scent it. So yeah, it was cool to see. I'm really interested.

Luc Moore (32:16.273)
hahahaha

Luc Moore (32:22.385)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (32:30.257)
Yeah.

Cash (32:32.022)
You know, we always talk about where Wing is going to go in the future. And I'm really interested to see where this whole pair wing thing is going to go. I know a lot of companies are coming out with pair wings now. And, you know, in the beginning it was like just a Maui thing that had, I think it was the cloud one. I'm not sure. I'm not sure who started it, you know, don't come for me because I got that wrong, but I remember seeing a few guys just downwind, with it. And now, you know, Duotone's coming out with it. Gong has one.

Luc Moore (32:38.403)
Mm-hmm.

Cash (33:01.462)
Yeah, it's going to be interesting. I've never even tried one, so I don't know what you can do with it. I heard you kind of have to ride like a little bit bigger board and a bigger foil. So that is interesting, but we're going to probably push it and see if we can ride our wing setups out there and do some, it's like short line kiting almost, but winging or long line winning.

Luc Moore (33:19.452)
Mm hmm. I have I have a three meter Roger from Ensis. You're welcome to try it anytime. It's sitting here. I haven't used it here. All right, you're welcome to it and then let me know what you think. I have a harness line hook up and I was just like kiting with it in Mexico. It's kind of cool actually. Yeah. Yeah, it works. You just need good wind.

Cash (33:27.63)
Let's go today.

Cash (33:39.167)
And you've tried it, so it works pretty well and sweet. Yeah.

Luc Moore (33:43.522)
Yeah, but we've had like yesterday I was on a three five windsurfing like pushing 30 something so I think our wind is fine for now. But, but yeah, no, we'll hook up and you can try it. Let me know what you think.

Cash (33:58.018)
Yeah, I would like to. We'll see. That would be interesting. I Spencer's have been dialing in right there. Yeah.

Luc Moore (34:03.032)
they have the duotone ones too. yeah, those ones, apparently they figured out a bit of D power on the new ones, which I think are coming out or have been out or coming out soon. But apparently you can D power them anymore. I can imagine.

Cash (34:12.706)
Yeah, they've been ignoring me. I've been loitering in their driveway. They've been sneaking out around me and going to test pair wings, shortening lines here and there and all that good stuff. they're a cool band of brothers, those two, really, really into it. And I don't know if you've had them on, but they're pretty funny. Yeah, they're great. They're super smart.

Luc Moore (34:20.944)
Yeah

Luc Moore (34:28.186)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (34:38.02)
yeah, I'm going to, yeah.

Cash (34:42.572)
have been designing stuff for Duotone for I think maybe over a year now or a few years. Mostly like boards and foils and stuff like that but definitely had a lot to do with wing testing and pair wing stuff but on the grind for sure they're a unique set.

Luc Moore (35:00.034)
Nice. Yeah. I saw them at Kuao. They were doing a photo shoot for some product that I can't say, but yeah. Yeah. I can tell you. I can't man. They'll break my arms. yeah, buddy. Well, Hey, thanks for coming on so early in the morning and chatting with us. Yeah. It's 7 50 in the morning. I think now it's going to be a swim at baby beach.

Cash (35:08.782)
So tell me, come on.

Cash (35:14.336)
I know.

Cash (35:19.256)
Thanks for having me, I know it's really for you too.

Luc Moore (35:27.536)
And hopefully there's a little bit of current that's been super fun to get my butt back into that shape and then head off to the gym. And then the day starts. I know.

Cash (35:37.73)
Wow, you know, I'm gonna sit here, write some emails, and then maybe join you down at the beach later. The current at Baby Beach when it starts going is, yeah, it's a treadmill for the swim. If you run Baldwin and then swim, some sort of it, either you swim Baldwin or you swim Baby Beach, yeah, you got like the sand hill at the end. Yeah, it's a torture beach, I don't know. That one's a good training zone.

Luc Moore (35:41.296)
Hahahaha

Luc Moore (35:50.192)
crazy.

Luc Moore (35:58.65)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (36:04.078)
Yeah, it's pretty fun. I think it was what? It was high tide a couple days ago and I was too far close to the reef and I almost like if I had slipped I would have just gotten spit out. It was that strong. Like you have to swim full tilt and I was hardly moving. But I guess that's what training is for, right?

Cash (36:21.794)
Yeah.

Yeah, I guess I don't know why they call it Baby Beach if there's a crazy rip there, but you know, it's what it is. There's a lifeguard stand at the end of the beach there. We'll just spit out. Yeah.

Luc Moore (36:32.175)
Just in case you see a bobbing little guy going to spit into the bed. Well, for the most part, it's fine because you can sit so shallow. But yeah, it is a little gnarly. Well, at least I feel more confident because there's like less chance of a great white getting in there, you know.

Cash (36:48.662)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you'll definitely have a few yields or something in there though. There's definitely no shortage of fish.

Yeah, no shark. Hopefully no shark though. I mean, once they figure it out, you know.

Luc Moore (37:05.103)
that's true, it'd be easy access to food.

Cash (37:07.296)
I think they get stuck, but yeah.

Luc Moore (37:10.669)
they might not be able to turn around, you're right. That's true. If they're that long. Yeah, well, knock on wood, it's been fine. But hey, enjoy your day. And how long are you on island for until you hop off? It's your next spot.

Cash (37:13.102)
Yeah, I don't know, they're pretty nimble.

Cash (37:21.752)
Thank you, you as well.

Cash (37:26.338)
I'm here until the 13th. I got two days, two, three days, and then I'm off to the mainland for just a week, and I'll be back. So yeah, just a quick one. But yeah, how about you? Where you off to next?

Luc Moore (37:30.991)
Go sick!

Luc Moore (37:36.686)
It's okay. All right. Okay. Cool.

Luc Moore (37:43.938)
Hmm, Bonaire. And then visit mom in Ottawa and then probably to Vancouver Island. And then, back. Bonaire, the team over at CZen Wellness are running a wing foil camp, which we promoted. So I'm going to go out there and check out the island of Bonaire and stay there for a week, which will be my first time to the Caribbean. Might meet Toddy Franz and all the Franz brothers and stuff, which is going to be pretty cool.

Cash (37:50.84)
respond air.

Cash (38:05.795)
Okay.

Luc Moore (38:13.056)
some epic legends over there in the windsurfing world. So I think I hang out there for a week and then go do some family time, see my brother, go kiting with him, windsurfing with him. I think it's gonna be pretty sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't complain in the summer ahead, but all right, man. See you at Baby Beach. If you want that three meter, let me know. yeah, I think.

Cash (38:24.782)
That sounds awesome

Cash (38:32.172)
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Cash (38:36.524)
Yeah, let's clean up today. See you at the beach. That'd be awesome.

Luc Moore (38:41.612)
Jaws is still like 80 feet, so I should be fine.

Cash (38:45.622)
It's time, you're ready. Go put some water wings on and get out there.

Luc Moore (38:47.086)
Alright buddy. That's what Kai should have put on.

Cash (38:54.798)
I I don't know why, you know, he needs us. He needs to some consult- what are you gonna call- some- ha! We need to some consulting for him.

Luc Moore (38:59.136)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (39:04.59)
I saw him at KT shop, right? But he has game face on. So it's like had game face organizing his stuff in the back of the car. He's like, no, not talking to the kid. He's going out on a mission and just like, you don't want to bug people when they're in their mindsets. So I was like, give everybody.

Cash (39:10.606)
Cash (39:15.576)
Yeah.

Cash (39:21.516)
Yeah, he can look serious, but he's the nicest person I think I know. So yeah, I'll help you around.

Luc Moore (39:25.324)
Yeah.

Yeah, no I know. It's just nice to see people in their element doing what they love to do. I think that's what it's all about.

Cash (39:34.624)
Yeah, Maui's great for it. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on. Especially if you hang around KT long enough.

Luc Moore (39:36.684)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (39:40.833)
Yeah, I can imagine. All right, buddy, man, we'll see you probably today then.

Cash (39:45.344)
Awesome, see you later. Thanks

Luc Moore (39:47.437)
All right. Bye everybody.