Episode #8 - Matt and Kaden Pritchard

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Wing Life Podcast where we talk about wing-foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. Chris and Mary, Chris and everyone? Was that Maui Christmas or Mary Christmas? Maui Christmas? That's the Marriest of Christmas.

[00:00:29] That the ones you have, the ones where you have ocean, barrels. We had such a good week of waves. We had like for surfing. We had waves and like perfect cona offshore winds. And it was my favorite wave of striking, so perfect. That's a nice wave of that.

[00:00:54] It's a collier harbor, it's like this slab, right slab. It just is like a kind of, it breaks and then it crumbles and if you catch it, where it crumbles and then it just goes, you're a full slab. And it's sweet. Nice.

[00:01:15] Are you falling that kid in or are you on shortboard? I shortboard it and sometimes I foil it, but it's just like, it's such an amazing wave. It's like, I've gotten like, seven or eight insane barrels this last week. Just, it's really nice.

[00:01:40] But it's also a really good foil wave because it rolls all the way into the harbor. The harbor range, like ramp. How is your Christmas? Your Christmas. Okay. Yeah, you got seven or eight barrels all wrapped up for him. Man, that's a pretty good Christmas.

[00:02:06] That's a pretty good wave. But yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, we haven't had any wind for like a week. Two weeks. It just came back yesterday. And then now we're going to have no wind tomorrow. Okay. Okay.

[00:02:23] We could have a little appreciate those days of no wind just to have rats, you know? I'm always like that. Yeah. Yeah, I saw few of your Instagram lives and stuff with some surf comps and stuff. It looked like there's some nice ones. Yeah.

[00:02:42] I love, I really like surfing because it's always different. Like we never get the same way. So it's true. Well, having like if you get that one crazy wave, we know nobody else is going to get it. It's like it's that one wave.

[00:02:59] I mean, they can get close to it and never let it exact it. That's true actually. Yeah. It always depends on how you ride the wave. It's kind of like I feel like that's why I also love like when I foil.

[00:03:14] I love riding waves because like it's always different. But in free styles, also like super fun and do all this new stuff and like all coming. It's all brand new everything. So I'd see refund too but like I feel anything within like riding waves. I love that. Yeah.

[00:03:37] That's like a feeling like when I just started for a link. Two, three years. I guess but just the feeling of like surfing little little swell and little stuff on a foil is just unreal. That was so cool. Carving back and forth from this non-existent bridge.

[00:03:54] And then even just being able to like hit a lip sometimes because that'll keep up. I can it's like super fun to just go down the line and just like jump off the little sections that count. This is pretty recent too, right?

[00:04:10] Because I haven't seen a lot of people doing this and I feel like the last few videos you put up here and just unreal. Like it's so cool to see. Yeah. I've been going to keep a lot recently in the past because like I found this secret spot.

[00:04:30] To get out into the water. Because for me getting out I like the normal spot. I always get worked beyond belief. And then I found like this little spot at a place we call slippery rock.

[00:04:46] And like if you know the right way, you can just jump off the rock into the ocean. It's like flat and you can just paddle up to the wind line and get up and then you have to go in the gnarly way.

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[00:06:14] If you get to ride all the waves and then I also got pretty worked at hook keeper. I got I found the wave in front of like a satin set camp and it like ripped my leash off from the wing, went to the rocks and then do down.

[00:06:31] Luckily one more winter for the spot it for me. It's great. The low-hock classic, everybody was training for that prior to the contest and then came with sneak out as a secret way.

[00:06:46] And maybe the only wing around there, flipping and spinning around out there and all the guys are watching them doing these three sixties before even gets on the wave basically and then just going down and people are asking me is that that you're kid out there?

[00:07:03] Yeah, it's pretty fun to watch. And you know we're you know everyone is slogging around it like two miles an hour drifting back out and he's just. I'm just going to throw it around and yeah making it look really good.

[00:07:20] I think that's one of the amazing things about this sport right? A small rider that's not as physically strong as you need to be to insert for example and you can still be at such a high level. It's so cool.

[00:07:34] It's like it's a lot different being like from moving in to the winter thing. It's like winter thing. I always had to be on such a small scale, like we've not get like blown in it. I can harness.

[00:07:53] I feel like with the foil like above the water, I can have more power. I like it's more power. Did you start when surfing first? Yeah, when surf before and then I like I went surfed all summer and then didn't.

[00:08:12] I just surf that winter and then my grandpa introduced me to me next summer. And it was just like I had a one day and the only reason I went is because my mom passed me chocolate chip cookies.

[00:08:27] And then I went down there, tried waking and then I went every single thing I was like, oh this is so fun. I want to get this down and like I think it was three or four days and then I could go play in or coming in.

[00:08:44] And then it was just like from then on I was hooked when every single day and then that year I had home school. It was like the year of COVID and I had homeschool, I was getting home school.

[00:08:56] And I just went every single day for like five or six months. Yeah, I can totally see Matt homeschooling on the water that. I was a school year. Mm hmm, that would have been an amazing cook. Very, absolutely. Very, yeah, absolutely.

[00:09:22] Well, I guess we're recording so we'll say hey guys thanks for a lot for joining us tonight. Matt is great to see you again. And cadence, great to meet you.

[00:09:33] Super cool to have you join us on the show here and we're just for those of you at home that don't know who Kaden Richard is. Well, probably no Matt.

[00:09:46] But Kaden is Matt Sun and if you haven't checked out his Instagram and seen where when when foreign is going to go for the rest of the world in the next three to four years.

[00:09:58] You should definitely do it because he's really pushing the limit of what's possible and winning and I mean how old are you Kaden like how many more years of questioning are we going to see.

[00:10:10] Hopefully is, are they can I just turn 13 in August for not just any more. I used to be able to say that but I turned 13 in August and I'm hoping to be weighing for like.

[00:10:26] For as long as I can my grandpa is doing it and he's like 70, 70, he's 71 so as long as he does it. Like gives us all hope. Yeah, it's in sale and he can do it when when serving and now he's weighing where it's whole life basically.

[00:10:49] Sense that started since when serving. Not quite. I looked into that actually I watched another interview that Matt I think or even your brother Kevin you guys were all on or something and I talked about the fact that your dad got you.

[00:11:06] Into wind surfing way back in the day you guys have been icons for us to watch and stuff and to get better and.

[00:11:12] I think I was I was 11 years old when I got introduced to wind surfing it was because my dad was building the house for this guy and his wife and they gave my dad a wind surfer for his birthday.

[00:11:24] And so I lived on a lake it was a water ski lake where there's no wind really but you know winds are for one design and we just go on cruise around I could remember, you know just.

[00:11:37] Going with my dad, tannaming and climbing up on his shoulders and hold on to the mass you know and just cruising around and you know three miles an hour wind maybe gusting to eight for some excitement you know and.

[00:11:51] And I just always remember that and then one thing led to another we started going more different lakes where there was more wind and then we started going to the coast and you know discovering who wave sailing and all that so.

[00:12:04] You know, the course of my teenage years that's that's basically what we were doing was chasing chasing wind and. My grandpa. Like brought us both into the sports that like our main sports.

[00:12:21] Yeah it's pretty cool to see how the progression you know when I was when I was 13 years old you know I was watching I remember watching guys doing four loops on TV.

[00:12:32] And we were doing it on the stage to llama marking really what they were doing you know and I was, you know trying to chop up and jump three or four feet in the air on a wind surfer and now.

[00:12:43] Cable that 13 years old is jumping 25 or 30 feet in the air and spin around 720 degrees and doing all this crazy stuff where you know I see that and I'm just like whoa I have zero desire to do that now you know.

[00:12:58] I wish I could do that but I'm not I'm not ready to pay those consequences anymore, but you know that hurt you guys. It's only water.

[00:13:12] So how do you get that much pop like obviously you're coming out some good waves really nice wind direction and then what wings are you using.

[00:13:21] Well I think yeah it's definitely a lot about the foil I use I use a small for an ring I use like a 750 front wing.

[00:13:29] I don't know if that's small but I feel like it's possible and then 14 and a half tail so it like so I what to get the pop is I go up and then push down on my tail and it like sends me up into the air and then.

[00:13:47] You you go down wind before you do that and then you can like hit off the chalk and it sends me to the air and then just hold like it right.

[00:13:57] If you hold the wing right and just pull in on your back hand then you'll just lift off I was out like the last time I was out was probably blowing to 50 years something and.

[00:14:10] I got I just got a new board and a super light like super super lightboard and I could just go hop off one of the chops.

[00:14:21] And I would just fly like I swear I felt like I was in the air for like five or seven like I have to say seconds was like. And then is go back and do it again pretty pretty rough I was on a two eight and those.

[00:14:42] I was holding on for dear life.

[00:14:44] Now the last couple years Matt like you've seen probably a big is there a big shift that's happening in Maui like out here as well like a lot all of us would win surfing as many as little wind as we could and then we had wing and come out and I had maybe four or five good wind surf sessions this summer on Vancouver Island.

[00:15:02] But I was out every day on the wing so yeah we're definitely seeing that you know I think even a lot of the fighters are coming into the wings and they're getting into it and and when surfers that.

[00:15:17] You know have been doing it forever or are excited you know it's something new and it's it to me it makes sense you know the the kite strings I always I had our time with those.

[00:15:29] And you know and and I just like being able with the wing I can get rid of it when I want to get rid of it and it's right there if I need it it's super easy and user friendly for a lot of things.

[00:15:41] But you know the whole foil thing is what's really changed the game and as wind surfers you know we understand wind so.

[00:15:49] You know you have once you figure out the wing and and how to power up the foil it's kind of like someone's helping you up and going all the time versus like learn in the front foil or something which looks really hard to me.

[00:16:02] But I mean these guys make them look easy.

[00:16:06] My friends they're here from the big out to like come over and hang out and they really really really want to learn how to prone foil because they don't really have that much wind over in the big island to wing but I think.

[00:16:21] They wanted learn that too but there it's it's going to be I feel like you're the easier for somebody that serves all the time to learn at a crime and then someone that win serves.

[00:16:31] I mean you guys have the balance and like all that but it was just I think it's just easier because you're like. I mean just surfing basically with a foil the only thing is to learn how to like because the first before I.

[00:16:47] When I went out once in my uncle on a jet ski and just like towed on the foil behind it although because.

[00:16:56] I got caught short because I got spun by jellyfish it was like the jellyfish got wrapped around the toro and I went and grabbed the toro and it's just like. I think that's what the feeling part when I teach people that know how to win surf.

[00:17:11] Yeah so just once you get them foil down I think you can learn.

[00:17:17] I mean you know touching on that when you know when you're a wind surf or you know the wind and you have that going you can learn the foil easily I think and that's that's what's the appealing part when I when I teach people that know how to win surf can use it get them up on the foil first first or second go you know it's pretty.

[00:17:41] It's pretty self explanatory with the right equipment you know it's those that don't understand we and have never been in a wind sort of sport that it's a little more challenging. It's a lot more. Actually so.

[00:17:55] But but look at what it's doing you know the whole the whole foil thing is it's kind of revolutionized keep and keep and everybody excited really you know it's something that's new and and the feeling and sensation that you get.

[00:18:09] When you're up and by is that's that's the addiction when you say that yeah it feels like you're flying 24 seven because I always love like being able to fly like I don't I've always wanted to I love like jumping off cliffs and like just floating in the air just like you know like.

[00:18:31] Nothing nothing's really. In your way except for like the water when you land but like that 0.5 one or two seconds of just like.

[00:18:44] Dropping I feel like that's been foiling it's like it's just you're always just floating right above the water nothing can hurt you except for over foiling or running into a way. Turtles. Turtles. Turtles. Yeah. Turtles are not.

[00:19:03] Yeah but those those are one of the hardest things like you just got to watch out and the reef the reef also there's some little coral heads at canahawk there's like.

[00:19:17] Little was a bunch of coral heads and you got it like you're at the triangle or it's like. The weird way is what I call it. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:19:28] Weird way and then like whenever you're going through there there's like a bunch of those coral heads and you got to watch out because they do hurt if you're going to pass. These have been some of the nirally as white beds for for us especially just.

[00:19:44] Just obviously when you kind of your foil kind of comes out of the water there and you stop dead. That's been interesting and just the craziest whippers and it's of when surfing it was bad like sometimes you catapults and all that but I've never been whipped so good.

[00:20:00] Attached the board and stuff obviously our leashes are stuff as isn't as aggressive sore leashes don't break but. Yeah. Are you guys right in footsteps. Some friends are I think John who's on the call now and a couple other guys yes they are writing straps.

[00:20:17] I've been writing strapless for for the three years and I love it. I just I'm not a jumper so I kind of just cruise around and I don't want to get hurt any more than I have.

[00:20:27] Oh, Matt and I have gone through a bunch of surgeries that we understand. Oh yeah that's my number one rule is no jumping. No. No. No. Not going there and this guy.

[00:20:42] I don't know why but I feel like I only I like I went I went to a prone contest in Kaly like couple weeks ago and it was no straps and I was like this is way more dangerous.

[00:21:00] I feel like because when you fall you can fall right on top of the foil because with the straps usually the board kind of goes with you.

[00:21:09] But like you're not really attached to the board so like if you're turning to go back out and then your weight shifts and you fall forward like I had one where I turned on so here's the way I'm like I bought on turn to go back out and put back out and like the board went this like the board went this way and I went this way and like almost landed on the foil so which is I feel like it's better because if you had straps and you're going to go back out.

[00:21:38] And then you would bring the board with you and then you would like to go back and then you would like to land like that and it hurt but you would land on the foil so I don't know but I think.

[00:21:51] I think ankle wise if you have that and so ankles then. And he has a few more years on you. And you don't really want what's Jeffs.

[00:22:07] No okay so I have questions about foot straps and so when if you breach just out of the water so if you're foils like this whatever and it breaches and you stop dead so you just whip over forward you're still thinking and you're finding that with footsteps still a bit nicer.

[00:22:22] I mean I'm actually rarely. I'm sorry. I'm sorry wrong question to the wrong kid. I just whatever I do that I feel like I usually can just lean put all my weight on my back foot and I can just ride out of it.

[00:22:40] I have had a couple experiences doing like speed runs coming in from like others. I cannot hop that was like going super fast and I came over a chop and like oh flows like. Skip the cross the water.

[00:22:57] It's heart pretty bad but it's I feel like my feet always come out of the traps or sometimes they don't and I just like. Stop dead and get the right not trying to me but I like straps more maybe because I've always done it. But okay yeah.

[00:23:17] I tried straps once this summer and they freaking out and went right back to my to my little 70 whatever I'm writing the quad.

[00:23:24] I'm writing the quadro drifter the project or drifter pro this year and it just went right back to that board and I was like forget it. Just go on strapless but everybody's different so.

[00:23:35] I feel like strapless will be better for like for because you can always move your feet. Like places on the board. The straps kind of get in the way of that sometimes.

[00:23:48] So at times it's like good to not have straps and then like it's really easy to like test usually whenever I get like a new board or a new foil or something.

[00:24:02] I go strapless but I haven't on my last board that I just got yet I'm going to do that. But I usually do it like test out and see where I need to put my straps where I should move my head.

[00:24:17] So I can get my feet in the spot that I want my straps to be kind of. Okay.

[00:24:23] The uh part of it is is that you're writing a really small board kid and then I know for myself and I'm on my little board like on the sinker then I really don't mind the straps that much and I'm not that worried about getting feet stuck in them and stuff like that.

[00:24:36] But if I'm writing a bigger board because there's light wind or I don't know trying three styles and things like that. Um, I definitely are in a little bit more scared about seeing getting stuck and just a little bit more leverage going on there I guess.

[00:24:51] That's part of it. I guess I'll probably be. I would probably make a difference. I don't. I think it's a small sport. The smallest board. Or big. Yeah. I mean, yeah, so I don't.

[00:25:10] I kind of understand where you're coming from but like yeah usually when I write a board that they don't use straps. I usually I think I only write that like writing my mom stuff up when she.

[00:25:25] Or yeah taking my brother out or something like that, but I would I could definitely see how like that that would kind of. That hurt if you got stuck in the strap and like.

[00:25:38] Oh, I fell that way and the board on that way and your ankles right are. Yeah, totally. So what size boards are you writing usually then? I'm writing between 24 and like 26 kind of around there. For size three 10 and four oh, wasn't my 10. Wow, so small.

[00:26:02] What are you weighing in that? I weigh like. 97 and if I eat like. After Thanksgiving like a 100 and two. There we go. That's a big turkey. Yeah. Are you teaching weighing Matt? Are you teaching? Yeah, I teach a little bit you know like the for super super beginners.

[00:26:34] I don't really that's not my specialty there. I kind of like taking wind surfers that you know kind of understand the wind like I was saying and. I think then get up and get going and all that so. I'm more of the advanced beginner teacher teacher.

[00:26:53] You could say okay. Yeah, cool. And I think once once people figure out how to how to how to dive and tap their kind of on their own from there they don't really need that much training unless they're getting into freestyle this guy.

[00:27:08] Would would have to take over from from that. I don't know how to do that. I want to but I don't know how I got it actually for me the challenges. Thinking about what I'm actually doing so like.

[00:27:26] I'm now I'm more like okay, so when I go into the air I do I turn my body. I'm going to do 45 degrees and that spins me and my attention rotation that's pin me around the 720 degrees. So it like it'll it.

[00:27:50] This is helping me okay right here so I go up tweak tweak my word 40. It's not opposite to right opposite 45 degree and then that makes me able to get like whip out of that and then I spin.

[00:28:13] It's it's seven and 20 degrees from hitting like getting that momentum from going on that so it's kind of almost like a corkscrew kind of thing like you load it up and then you start to turn.

[00:28:27] Yeah, you have to like for me or I mean sometimes you don't have to because you'll just if you don't look it up then you have more airtime to get the two spins but if you don't have as much airtime I feel like the corkscrew. Better.

[00:28:45] Okay that's really interesting I wouldn't have thought that was the case but so you're saying if you're kind of getting into a say doing.

[00:28:54] Occas or or flaccas I'm not even sure what we call it in winging I don't even know if there's a name for it yet but if you're doing a 360 let's say do you find it's zero to tweak first and then do the 360 or just go straight into the 360.

[00:29:07] I personally when I do if I do a 360 we sometimes I just like go totally inverted because I go I start rotating just right as I take off and usually you want to start rotating.

[00:29:23] You want to start rotating at the top of your jump so like you jump and then rotate but like when you start it you start rotating as you go and then the wind like you up when you're starting do that second location like with you up so I personally think that you can.

[00:29:43] But like for I guess for when you're learning 360s you want to just go 180 and then land backwards and then spin around but then like once you I feel like the higher level would then be to like.

[00:29:58] So up tweak and then spin and land so it's kind of like a yes and no. Yeah. So once you know what you're doing tweaking is easier and before you just go straight into it.

[00:30:13] I think going straight into it is good it depends on what type of wing you're riding like if you're riding a wing that's really boxy you want to go straight into it so you have the most amount of time to get the rotation.

[00:30:29] If you have a wing that's more maneuverable and smaller than I think the corkscrews. Corkscrews just an add-on that makes it harder to make it harder to make it harder. It looks cooler too. I like I like the front of the school or I agree not.

[00:30:46] The fun the fun part for us I think is is like with video sometimes I'll be out there with my wind surfer in my my GoPro and I'll follow and I'll get to see really close like him spinning and we're.

[00:30:59] So we're going to be able to slow that down and just watch how everything kind of happens you know like on the ones where he makes them how how he corkscrews harder and then spins around it's the modern technology nowadays is so good for. For learning it's.

[00:31:17] It's really nice being a movie like okay so that's what I did wrong there if I don't do that that I can make it so. I just put that into my brain and go out on to the next session true. What's it?

[00:31:32] There's a lot of ads that's a really good coach as well. Hey, that helps. That's why I'm a video camera because you doesn't listen to anything I say so he did pick you said out on itself.

[00:31:50] Yeah, my my grandpa got a camera so he sometimes like when it's too gnarly for him to go out like last day like 15 knots you got some video of it I have. We have a little YouTube video share that later of the day.

[00:32:11] A couple weeks ago of me on a new board just in the super when you win but he goes and see this down on the beach and there is little.

[00:32:20] His he's been to build houses he's like super good with wood and it's like this hair umbrella that blocks the sun from behind and then he has his little camera map goes across his chair and he has like the whole setup. Pretty cool. Beautiful.

[00:32:39] With like some wood scraps and a Johnny Johnny Bahama hammer inductee. Yeah, and a beach chair. That's all you need. So you need for the high quality camera set up. Oh yeah. Matt, how do you find like because when this played such a big part in your life?

[00:33:01] How do you find being able to share that like with your with your kids and stuff? How does that. How does that feel? It's super cool, you know I think like we touched on an earlier word. I think.

[00:33:14] Oh, I got three generations on the water you know with my dad and myself and Kate and it's it's pretty special for sure when you you know sit back look at it and think about it all how what's happening.

[00:33:29] And yeah, I love I love seeing and watching Kate and fly as how I describe it you know like just just I can kind of feel I can feel the feels that he's feeling up there.

[00:33:40] I actually when he lands hard and just augurs in that that hurts me just I kind of get like a little. A little shutter when he when he lands from 30 feet up and.

[00:33:53] But you know see in that and and realizing you know like wow I know he's feeling you know that it's like that sensation of. Of freedom and expressions pretty pretty rad. Yeah, don't be able to follow that closely and see all that stuff that'd be pretty special.

[00:34:13] Yeah, sometimes he tells me because I'm too close, you know he said, yeah, do you mess with me up. And then there's one time when I was like first time getting seven 20s and his go for was at 1%.

[00:34:30] Oh, no and I was like doing on I'm so close I would land and like sometimes I would dig my nose and just not make it and I was like so close I was like 1% away from getting it but that 1%.

[00:34:48] I think they need to sponsor you and send us out of a couple new ones. Yeah, I know we need a bunch extra batteries we can put on the beach. I heard they have a new battery called the Enduro. Okay, that's one that would have given you that 1%.

[00:35:13] That's where it matters. It's a dad got in trouble for that one first year. I wasn't too happy but it's a, I'm 100 now he got one of my first ones on video. Although he was pretty far away, it wasn't in focus, it was still good. Okay.

[00:35:37] Yeah, life the life of being a dad. Got to get it first. What age do you reckon that would be a good time to start your kids on winging? Because I think when surfing is what like 11 or 13 something like that realistically.

[00:35:57] Yeah, real this I think that's the great question actually because ever since came was like two years old you're asking when's he going to start wind surfing. And then it's like well, I don't want to start winds surfing.

[00:36:10] He can have fun and be strong enough to go out there and appreciate it. You know, like I'll see like four or five year old kids, you know, just hanging on in these little sails and going back and forth slowly which which is a good thing.

[00:36:23] But just know in this guy and that that adrenaline thing that's imprinted on him I guess he he kind of get bored of that and he started early. I think maybe too early on a wind surfer over you. Okay.

[00:36:38] Yeah, it wasn't I had some very painful sessions of like not being able to I'll call and just getting stuff all the way down to get back to your question.

[00:36:51] You know, I think that with the wings they're lighter nowadays so so the kids can learn at an earlier age. You know, so I think seven is not too young to learn to start playing with it anyways even even younger.

[00:37:05] I've seen like five year old kids playing around so you know it's pretty it's pretty it's easier than wind surfing. I would say I think don't you?

[00:37:16] Yeah, I saw this kid on Instagram he was like, right, you six or seven years old and he was like trying to go out for like airs and stuff and stuff. I think you see good kids. Mm-hmm. Oh and five years could be doing in the same trip.

[00:37:37] You'll be an old guy. Here's all the 18. And five years. So these 10 year old young. They're like, you know, the next. I was still that age. I wish I could. Or I mean, I'm still going to be a kid.

[00:37:59] I'm just going to be taller and I'm going to have to ride bigger equipment. But. Yeah. The belly, the learning. That was a different wings I need to ride and boards and wings and foil.

[00:38:15] Because that was one of some of the first videos right Matt that you put up of Caden on Instagram or that you both put up with him flying on the beach. And he keeps tying you that.

[00:38:25] Yeah, just like off the little bluffer whatever and then hanging on going left and right and it's like, oh, where is this? We're just going to go. Yeah. That was that video. There's a lot of like this, I think one of the people were just like,

[00:38:40] they got reposted everywhere. A lot of like, it was, it was a pretty crazy picture. It was weird. We're doing like this photo shoot thing for because he's a really good. You listen. Yeah, and he's a realtor and his.

[00:39:03] There is his one of his really good friends needed a photo shoot for like this house that they were doing. So we went down and we're doing like a little. But the thing and then it was like this super blasting windy.

[00:39:18] So we went out at like, you know, early in the morning and then I went to got super windy. It was like two in need to go out.

[00:39:27] And I was like, I would just jump off a little bluff and like go down and eat it when I had to sand those. So exhilarating. I was in the air. Just kept the minute.

[00:39:41] I think doing that stuff where you're just running around on the beach with the wing of his little brothers doing that now.

[00:39:47] He read just one wheel with the wing and his hand, you know, he's kind of figuring it out stuff stuff like that where were you just understand the dynamics of the wind in your hand is kind of harness the harness that kind of power.

[00:40:04] And the wings are changing so rapidly in technology and materials and everything now. How's that kind of because obviously there's a lot of people testing and training in Maui.

[00:40:18] It's something you can talk to us about but that like how do you see that scene obviously it's exploded compared to what it was. Yeah, I mean everybody's kind of always like I have a couple of friends.

[00:40:31] I have friends and ride for Cabrena and they're always like they're always riding these prototype wings and then.

[00:40:39] I feel like it's always it's really cool to see like the first time that like for example when I get some prototype wings it's really cool to see what they send you and then what they produce like what the actual producer.

[00:40:54] What the actual production is it's really cool to like have go through and say like hey I don't really like it but it's good and I think other people would like it when I love this. This is really good.

[00:41:08] You should keep this and the feedback then you can like see the final product and be like oh yeah, this is perfect.

[00:41:17] I love this and then maybe there's like a couple extra tweaks and then like the perfect wing kind of it's pretty fun to like go through and. It's really different.

[00:41:29] Especially with foil's and stuff because Alex is the owner of go for a lean just lives on silent so he gets all of the.

[00:41:40] You get all the foils and like can make him open for a shot through all the experiments and stuff and it's super fun to go out and just ride. Like test in right it because he's always down at the beach.

[00:41:55] It's it's super cool to like try it all the time and always be experimenting and like say hey I like this but this feels weird because if you say it feels.

[00:42:07] It's just like a little wobbly in it tracks when I turn maybe like oh I know it's down to go and I. How does it how is this so perfect now what did you do. And fun stuff like I love.

[00:42:24] I'm writing and developing my favorite things to do. I saw new wing on the beach yesterday I don't even know what brand it was but it had like super super small diameter. And it's just like a lot of stuff. So it's really cool to have on the beach.

[00:42:44] The edge bladder and everything and look like it was somehow reinforced with. With something to give it some more rigidity, I didn't get too, look at it but I went. his phone's not working well tonight. What do you think the next thing is in foils?

[00:43:07] And what do you think of the high aspect foils trend? Well, I've been trying. I tried a couple of prone foiling over in client. I could pump for days. I was like, I just, I was on my board and I posted a video on my Instagram

[00:43:25] and I could just tap my feel on the board and it was pump. It was just really cool. I really like it for that and they're super fast in wing-foiling. I honestly get a little less pop. I feel like maybe it's just because the foils

[00:43:44] are a little smaller as a front wing than what I tried. And I like it, but it's definitely harder to turn. And I think for free style, the high aspect foils will be more popular because you're not really turning as much to mainly just going straight

[00:44:01] and then popping into the air and doing the air. And I mean, I love surf wings. Like all the GTs that go full of has, they're just carcability and everything is so good on those. But I feel like it's definitely gonna change.

[00:44:19] And I don't know if this is gonna be in the future but I've been seeing from people that are spot kind of guardrails. And this guy put a fin on the bottom of his foil and he says it's giving him more drive on his bottom turn.

[00:44:39] So I don't know if that's in the future and all or. Whoa. Happening with that. That's something new. Yeah, I just think it's cool to like see all the people experimenting with them and like all the new, because came to wild.

[00:44:56] It's doing all like his tail wings and stuff and making all this crazy new stuff that's like super like the flex tails that Armstrong came out with and like all that stuff. I feel like someone's always gonna be doing something different like begins to boards. It's always different.

[00:45:16] And you never know how it like how everybody will like it. Some people love it, some people hate it. So it's kind of like it's gonna be cool to see what everybody's coming out with this like upcoming years because I'm sure it's been exciting.

[00:45:34] That's gonna be pretty cool. Have you guys spent a lot of time in the new ginsous? I haven't written any of them. I have a couple of friends that ride for KT and they're saying, yeah, I love the boards. And one of my friends just broke his board

[00:45:52] and that was a pretty troubling because we had to go rescue him. His wing, he deflated his wing like all the water gun in his wing too or just pretty painful strings. I had, I think that was a use I used an 85 liter four initial thing.

[00:46:12] What's Grandpa's coming up? Seven to five, we worked out last time I wrote a big board. But I think that I think there's just like a lot of, it's gonna be really cool in the upcoming years to see what they come out with. Mm-hmm.

[00:46:30] Yeah, because Tom also mentioned the recent trend towards mid-ass back. Yeah. That's what I've been amazing. I love like between like it's super fast but it turns super well. Mm-hmm. Do it all, get it done. Perhaps in front of the toyle. Yeah. Cool.

[00:46:53] The two and one are three and one, foil. I like that. Okay. Okay. And Tom will say there must be some waves that are now new but you can kind of rediscover them with boils and wings compared to even when surfing or kidding.

[00:47:09] Yeah, I mean, sometimes a while ago, super, like we would go before a home school. We would go and wing or frown at Hocipea. And nobody was really proning at Hocipea but now they're like, it's like more people are doing it on the glass of days.

[00:47:30] You just go out, just like small middles, something. But then like if it's too small, then you go to point and then too big then you go down to car on, check all these waves. And like I never knew, I had never knew at all before, foiling

[00:47:47] and neither did I know of like Coli Harbour before, for a kind of like for surfing. I never knew about it until like the winner of the summer that I learned how to wing. I saw like this wave breaking over there and I was like,

[00:48:10] I wonder what the wave is? And then one day we were down surfing like sand piles and we saw this cool wave breaking. So like when I was watching there's just it's perfect, amazing wave. But now it was like super scary

[00:48:25] because it was super steep drop into this night and hardly burling wave. So now, built up the courage to go out and catch those waves. So it was really cool from my foiling, I learned all these new spots and stuff or this one new spot.

[00:48:41] But I'm sure everybody's gonna be like finding new ways to make some faces. Well, even John who's on the calm now, like we were all of us back years were starting to get into a lot bigger conditions. Like 30 pushing 40, 40 pushing a bit bigger,

[00:48:59] 20, 25 foot swell sometimes on Lake Ontario and some of the great lakes. And that's starting to get a bit narrowly. Like my neighbor who is known for the guy that can handle the most wind, he went out two years ago. 50 plus knots, 25 foot swell

[00:49:14] and the rest of us were like, I'm staying on shore. Like I'm too light of a guy. But what foiling did for a lot of these guys and for all of us is it opened up a completely different wind range.

[00:49:25] And then you were starting to have fun and stuff that was like two, three, four, five feet. So for us, like instead of progressing to a point where it'd become a safety hazard, I found that I progressed to a point

[00:49:37] where we can now enjoy a completely new aspect of the sport. You can fly up wind, you can look around. You can take some time to kind of get a bit sentimental about what you're doing out there. But that was if I was pretty cool.

[00:49:49] But I want to know how are the white pouts when you're proning? Because some of those look like they can get a little bit intense. Well, I, and Kauai, I saw some pretty intense white bags of those guys pulling into barrels of like, it was seriously.

[00:50:07] Yeah, strapless over at Kalikive and it was like, they would drop in, like pump a mile or seem like a mile out and ride these massive double overhead steps that were coming through and then just drop down the base bottom turn

[00:50:25] and then just like pull into this wave and then send it into the close out. And one of the guys stuck in town, I'm sure you know him. He was like going on a stomach riding on a stomach and pulled it to the barrel and got barrel

[00:50:42] and made it out which is cool. Just, is dad trying that? No, I went with Alex over there. He didn't go over there. Okay, fair. He is pretty, pretty gnarly to watch out when guys like at that contest. And some white bags of the day, this one guy,

[00:51:06] a white bag of that day who got their award, he was going on the lip line and like overfoiled on the lip line and fell down the face of the wave and like just got obliterated. It was so annoying. It's like crazy.

[00:51:27] I was scared to see if they were even okay after getting pounded. Yeah, let's see, I see a question from John, how often am I on the water with the wing versus minister? Well, I guess if I go into like teaching world

[00:51:44] where I spend some time doing that, lately I would almost say it's been a little bit more wing, you know, more people want to learn to wing. I still get a lot of wind servers coming in that you know, want to perfect their jobs or job

[00:51:59] certainly and that stuff. But as far as beginners are concerned, definitely way more beginner wingers that are here and you know fired up to learn. So I don't know percentage wise, but I guess if I had the guess, I'd say it's probably right now about 70, 30.

[00:52:20] For we went to winging. Okay. And what basic skill sets should people have before you can think in a coming out and kind of try and get out and in those waters and taking lessons and stuff? Well, it's night like I was saying earlier,

[00:52:36] it's nice for people to kind of understand wind. I think that if somebody were to be a totally dinner, it's probably good for them to go and watch a little bit. You know, like spend some time seeing what other people are doing watching other beginners

[00:52:52] and really kind of getting into your mind first visualizing that holding the wing on the beach, feeling what it's like to, you know, to open the wing up and how you want it, you know, angled wings. You're not dipping the tips in the water

[00:53:06] and falling on your face. You know, that kind of stuff is helpful. And being able to swim obviously, not afraid of the water, that kind of stuff. And obviously, you guys always have warm water that helps a little bit.

[00:53:22] It gets a bit colder in the, I never mind. Yeah, I remember February March gets a bit chilly, right? Oh, chilly, so relative as you say. Chili. Chili is like set like 60. You got to wear a long sleeve. Oh no, unmilled. No.

[00:53:40] Yes, I was in Victoria BC there. Let what it was at like three, four weeks ago. And I had a six, five four with a hood, five male booties and mitts. I think a two male Neo-Prin underneath a jacket, plus something else.

[00:53:57] We had like head high, nice rollers and stuff playing but very, very different when you have like 10-mill of Neo-Prin on and stuff like that. But yeah, meanwhile the area, I think it's a little bit too. Let's do it. The one good thing about that is

[00:54:12] a little bit of protection if your foil tries to prove. Absolutely. Yeah, if you get gutted, there's something with a little bit of protection. It definitely helps a little bit more. But Tom had a question here. Can you look at your faces as often?

[00:54:27] But what would be your top tip for someone starting it with their access to coaching? A big tip I would say is having a bigger board to start out with and having good balance, practicing your balance and practicing balance while holding the wing and like seeing

[00:54:48] what you have to do to get your pumping and like start your pumping momentum. Like back foot, front foot, back foot, front foot and then to get up onto the foil. And then usually I feel like when I first started wing I would always super overpower

[00:55:08] and that helped me a lot would be getting up on the foil and like when I fell, I could just get up a lot easier when I'm super overpowering because it would just lift me out of the water. So I think that's a good thing.

[00:55:24] And then you never wanna ride a board that's too big for you because I rode or like a foil set up with two big for me. I rode one when you were teaching our friends and there was like a massive board, like 135 leader board and like

[00:55:41] Maliko 220 front wing. And I couldn't even get up on foil. It was too big. So like, back up somewhere and realize if something that'll float you and something that'll get you on foil but not too crazy big. I think a lot of people say,

[00:56:00] oh, get on a sub board and go fly the wing around out there which I'm not really a fan of that unless you have a sub board, you know, but mainly that obviously send up going straight down wind. I think if you're serious about it,

[00:56:14] you can get 120 meter board as an average to start with and put the dang foil in it. And that keeps you going to stay in up wind and then you can actually kind of get used to where your feet should be, you know,

[00:56:28] figure that sort of stuff out and then like Katie saying when you're, when you get some power in it you kind of are ready to feel that thing lift up and you go and that's one place where I think

[00:56:39] it's kind of cool too for having the foot straps when you're learning so that you have an forward that if you put your feet there and you get power from the wing, you're gonna pop up and go. Cause, you know, teaching us

[00:56:52] when people have a hard time and where do I get my feet or they, you know, they all, I'll see them out. Like okay we gotta slide that back to back a little bit, slide the front foot forward a bit so that when they do get up

[00:57:03] they can control the pitch of the board and the foil ultimately. And they're starting on some pretty big foils for guys like anywhere between, I guess, the clients that I had were on like 2000 kind of fairly big foils just to go slow

[00:57:21] but I guess what you're saying, Katie, and if you're a smaller, then you can go too big. You can go too big. Yeah, like my size, I feel like there's like a point where I actually, like it's too big for me

[00:57:35] to get up on foil, like it's too slow for me. Okay. If that's just because I'm so used to like, that's so good. Cause like John said the only Tom, or the only time, Katie never falls is when he's like trying to throw a double back flip

[00:57:52] or something. I don't know about that. I have some bad balls coming in the other day. I was got like bombing and I would go over a shop and just go, and then across the water, it definitely doesn't, my back gets messed up a lot

[00:58:11] but I have to like, I had a yoga in school last year. I had like a yoga class for half a year and that really helped like cause we did stretching every day and I felt so good. Now I don't have my class anymore

[00:58:29] so I just do like hamstring stretches and like stretch my back. I wonder if you can take a look. Are you riding with harness lines or are you guys fine just harnessless? I'm riding with the harness lines. Especially on a desk. It's cool. Hook in there and like,

[00:58:51] fruit basically crews and save the muscles when you can. So it wouldn't be something I would recommend to newbies or beginners by any means, but I think those especially when surfers that kind of understand that sort of situation of getting cold too much, no problem. I love it.

[00:59:18] Yeah, I've seen a bunch of guys starting to like them and playing with different kinds of harnesses and to seeing what works the best and what doesn't break. But that's been a kind of a cool trend, especially for going up wind

[00:59:30] cause you can just kind of hook in and like even fly even more up wind now without getting tired. Exactly, you can do your downwinders by sailing up wind because you can point so I'd wind on the foils.

[00:59:43] I wanna be able to do that because we have like a gofoil event every single year and, or sometimes twice a year and they do all these downwinders and like we all last year they rented entire U-hall van and we put all the wings and stuff

[01:00:02] and boards in the U-hall van and it was like all rigged up and ready to go. So we just got there and went out and that's super nice, but it's rare occasion when you're gonna have a rented U-hall van.

[01:00:13] So I went, I didn't wanna have all my stuff in that car cause it was very like pack so I didn't wanna ding some of my board stuff. So I sailed up to meet them and, oh my back. It was so bad. Like the whole way down.

[01:00:37] I got the whole way back from the downwind and then ours is dying. It was so painful, but now we have arms. Yeah, I gotta get that set up and then I'll be out of harness lining everywhere. I'll start here and I'll just be like,

[01:00:58] thank you, long rise up wind in 15 minutes. Tell them after you guys seeing any like a lot of tendonitis and whatnot if people are not using harness lying cause obviously, you guys get on the water a little bit more than other parts in the world.

[01:01:13] Are you seeing what are the most common injuries I guess you're seeing so far? Whew. I have heard a lot of people with elbow and shoulder problems. I have an awesome therapist that I see all the time just to keep everything dialed in.

[01:01:33] And sometimes I'll have a touch of elbow in there and sometimes shoulder, but I think that's from crashing on the mountain bike. But she was saying that all the wingers are coming in with shoulder issues more or less. So definitely one of them

[01:01:51] and would a harness remedy that maybe not? Maybe the elbows, I guess, a little bit, could play into that, but I don't know about that either. I think that just the, you think me's well. Like getting up and off the board. Oh, that's just a rock.

[01:02:11] It's super facial. Yeah, but like everybody's wearing. Yeah, that's probably one of the best. Oh yeah, a valid point. He pads for those that are in Hawaii where it's warm. You're not wearing a 10-millimeter wetsuit. You know, it's nice to have some.

[01:02:28] Yeah, I got all the padded green. Oh, yeah. So like, some people are just cutting full suits. It looks a little weird, but I think it saves your knees. So like, say this is my leg and this is my foot.

[01:02:44] Like we have it cut to like right here on their knee. So it like protects your knee right here. So okay. Knee pain or knee scratches. Because I guess, I mean, I don't have that because I just sink the board.

[01:03:01] Well, like I could see it's you had to get up from your knees. Where are your knees down a little bit? Mm-hmm. Also just getting up and down, I find, because a lot of people switched over from cutting and they're starting a little bit older.

[01:03:17] And they thought the sport was going to be very, very easy to pick up. But then they realized quickly that you're coming up and off your knees often. So if you're lunging and your knees get a little bit sore, that's where I found

[01:03:29] the cross training and stuff would be super important. Um, obviously, he had not an effect on you, but and you even mean my knees like him, my knees are starting to get sore and I found this guy in Instagram and sort of doing knees over toes that guy.

[01:03:43] If you've heard of him on Instagram, knees over toes guy. And he started doing some crazy lunges and then from there, the knees got better. So I was giving that to some clients this summer. You were finding that getting up was super, super hard actually.

[01:03:57] That is probably a good one because yeah, there are people that some of them want to get up with only one knee so they're going one way and it's the back knee and you know, it's kind of kind of makes it tricky.

[01:04:09] I always like to, you know, get the front knee up no matter which way I'm going. And, and so yeah, having that sort of balance is something you can do on the, on the mat and the gym, you know, that sort of stuff. That makes sense.

[01:04:24] And Tom, just ask your what wings are you both writing now and what's your go to size? 2.8. That's beautiful. You see the answer to you. That's what about you, Matt? I go to usually a four or two or three five.

[01:04:42] I mean, it's when it's windy, I like, I don't like to be overpowered on the wings, you know, it's just to me. It's too much, you know. I like, I'd rather have to pump it a couple more times and get up and go than be overpowered.

[01:04:58] And what brands of wings are you guys writing? Yeah, sure. I've been writing, yeah, for how to yours. Yeah, two or three maybe. Yeah, it's cool seeing their entire like what they started out with and what they're right now. That's so kind. Dressed up change.

[01:05:20] And you're both writing go foils. I'm assuming. Yeah, foils go foils and tap towards. To the boards. Oh, nice. The question here, Matt, are you sending Kaden on the wing tour? Oh, that's not for me to decide. That's for Kaden's at the side. It's a good question. OK.

[01:05:39] I think he's in a unique spot being here on Maui, you know, with which is being kind of in the line light of all the stuff that's happening. And the competition side of things, you know, traveling all over Europe, I've done all that.

[01:05:55] And I think that when he's ready to go and compete, you know, he's got it. He's got to step up and say let's go. You know, and go there to be able to be in the top top three top five or even win the stuff.

[01:06:12] You know, that's kind of my out with on it until he's ready to put all that together, it's his call. I want to start out by just going to separate events like I really want to go

[01:06:28] to the Brazil event next year and they just have super cool watching these waves and then any event or waves, I really want to go to. And I think starting out by just going to start an event and getting the feel for

[01:06:44] competition in the GWX, I think then I'll do that. I was like, you know, one year, I'll just do a couple competitions and what I want to do and my some of my friends from the island are going to go out

[01:06:59] and do some of the events so maybe I can do some events if they go to. And then if I really really like it and like I get the hang of it and start doing better and better than I can start doing more and more events.

[01:07:13] And then it just goes on and on and then eventually probably all time we're doing it. My hope. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And then we got a next question from John. Guess you can read that tonight.

[01:07:32] How much how much of kidding for guests is his own and how much is genetic. Good question, John. I think it's a lot of. That's not funny. I mean, I think it's hard to say, you know, I think I don't think anyone necessarily tells

[01:08:04] him what to do or how to do it. He's got to learn it on his own. You know, like for me, coaching him, my first thing is get a watch, set your timer and go out and practice heats.

[01:08:15] You know, that's how you do it. You got to learn how to impress the judges and you got to learn how to keep their attention and you got to have a program. And you know, sometimes we'll do

[01:08:26] video, video runs where I'm like, okay, contest run, you know, and you're like, you're like, go and just bust this out and bust that out. Do that. I heard it. You know, and then, you know, that's the kind of training there. But he does have a lot of

[01:08:38] natural talent. And if he wants to, you know, keep doing this competition and get more into it, he's going to develop and evolve into, you know, a great competitor. And it's understanding

[01:08:53] that mindset first that he has to choose to want to do that will enable him to be able to succeed. Yeah, I think it's sometimes I'll just be in my head and I'll be like, okay,

[01:09:10] contest run. And he said, I go, start out. I go, let's say I had a contest run. I did a couple while going to his front flip, land, back flip, land 360, turn around and then go like,

[01:09:27] look, my arms crossed, 540 and then come in and then 720 and then drive and coming back out, switch 360 and then come back in and then I did like a back loop type thing. So that's like,

[01:09:46] I kind of, and then I do it certain amount of times until I get it perfect. And once I get it perfect, I'm like, okay, now I just have fun and learn. That's the big three, I guess.

[01:10:01] They are our friend Max Robinson from Toronto area. He just started on the tour and he said, like, the big three front flip back flip 720. If you want to come anywhere close to ranking, up all the ways obviously. Okay, yeah. Yeah, that's we always used to say,

[01:10:19] when serving freestyle is like, you can't say, you can land a trick and take into account both ways. You know, that's the deal because you go to a contest and the wind's blown the other way,

[01:10:31] it's offshore, everything's different. So you got to be able to adapt for anything. Otherwise, you're going to struggle. That's what I'm trying now, mostly trying to like dial in, doing stuff going out. Like I, I'm basically re-learning everything going out. So like,

[01:10:54] now I can do 360's going out and then like eventually I want to try getting 720's and then I can do backflips going out and then doing front flip is going out. It's going to

[01:11:05] meet another challenge. So it's kind of, it's like, yes, I want to, I want to do this, but it's scary. It's almost scary when you're learning the other way again because you know how to do it the

[01:11:19] other way, but your brains all mixed up and like doesn't want to do it. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah, I don't do. Tom here, sorry, go ahead. The other day or the other day, like a month or two ago, I did, I hit my head and arm

[01:11:42] pretty hard doing a front flip coming in. Like my, I saw that. I like landed on top of my board and like hit my head and arms but luckily I was wearing a helmet which came in pretty

[01:11:57] clutch for no-lets if you want one. A little plug. But it saved me. Yeah, I was also wearing my meal impact rest. What saved me? I hit my shoulder like my lat and it hurts. Like I could

[01:12:17] barely move my arm up. I'm sure if I was not wearing impact rest, I was really broken or revs anything. But I'm glad I'm okay better now. So helmets impact that those are kind of

[01:12:30] staples that you'd recommend for learning? Yeah, I would definitely recommend helmet and the impact of the helmet. I was out yesterday and I didn't tell you this and I didn't have my helmet,

[01:12:46] I had a GoPro thing and I went to do this tack and I pulled the wing up over and I kind of looked forward and the wing ripped on my GoPro helmet mat just or this line down the way.

[01:13:00] Like ripped the hole in the wing. It's like scraped across the head and yeah. So that's a note to everyone out there that has the helmet. We'll go pro-mount. So be careful. No, it's good point actually. Yeah, especially where it is for tax and stuff and

[01:13:24] do you find this a lot of fear cadence or is your fear not quite there yet? It's I have fear before I do it. Once I do it, I'm actually so to learn back which coming in,

[01:13:40] they kind of went into a process of I started doing super inverted 360s and eventually I would just do inverted 360 but instead of going to do the way like that, the wing just go ahead. So

[01:13:56] it kind of sometimes I don't really do it straight away and then now I don't know if you've seen Chris McDonald who's doing these like he goes up and then flips the wing around,

[01:14:09] like flips it around and then goes down. Like I feel like the just doing a back loop, it can kind of set you into a bunch of different tricks. Which is good. Okay,

[01:14:21] one trick that we got on video that we haven't shared yet. Do you remember that one? Oh yeah, so say that one oh you don't want to tell one now. Okay you can't you can't broadcast it live yet. Nobody will know.

[01:14:38] Maybe a couple people that live on reality. No. But nobody stays tuned for episode two. All right guys want to lose your 10 milwets so you get on the plane. That's a common visit. Yeah. No excuses.

[01:14:58] I still like I want to take one of your your wave sailing cloaks, Matt it's still one of the highlights that because I've been sailing for 10, 10 years now and it's something that has been on my list and I would just love to go out there and

[01:15:10] sail and get into some some ways. So I'm going to do that with you one year definitely. All right, my mother couldn't. On those John knows how that works so he does does me. Yeah. Oh yeah. My guess worked but we'll see.

[01:15:28] We'll keep you safe. Oh oh I like John I think we're you and a guy out of a thousand peaks that one day right? Yeah you you you you you you taught me how to prone foil for free and I was freaking awesome. Oh no.

[01:15:46] Yeah. It's not getting trying around back flipping prone foiling. Hey comes over and taught me how to prone foil because I was struggling. Yeah. There we go. That's the real hatred of this. So yes. Very smart. Super small.

[01:16:07] Nice. So if anybody wants to come out to the islands, Matt and take some lessons, what would be the easiest way for them to get a hold of you? Fitchardwindsurfing.com is basically a good good start there. You know they can just hit the

[01:16:20] contact button there and and get them all set up. We've talked about doing a Richard Wayne surfing. What was that one year ago? Richard Wayne, change in the D to a G. Wayne surfing lessons. Yeah.

[01:16:38] Yeah. I mean, it'd be so cool logo and I like designing logos. So. Oh nice. That's great cool. It's an artist here in the group. Pretty awesome. Heck maybe maybe we'll have to send

[01:16:54] it some requests to help us design our our new podcast logo or something. I could always send that out to you. That would be sweet. That was really fun. Guys as well, thanks for having us and we'll look forward to the like kids at episode two or three.

[01:17:14] Sounds good. Two or three? All right guys. All right. Yeah. Matt goes to us talking. All right. All right. All right. All right. Happy new year. Thanks for joining Tom and I in this episode. We hope you enjoyed it and we'll see you next time.