Episode #88 - Sensi Graves

Luc Moore (00:01.455)
Let's see how this is doing.

Luc Moore (00:11.343)
100, 100.

Luc Moore (00:15.843)
think we're gonna be all right.

Sensi (00:19.247)
How's my sound?

Luc Moore (00:21.091)
Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, mine's okay.

All right, well hey, welcome back. It's been a while.

Sensi (00:28.495)
Thank you, Luke. Happy to be here.

Luc Moore (00:31.129)
What were you like the 10th or 12th episode or something back then? I think so. Yeah. We were just, it was my first solo episode actually. So I was like so nervous and so green. Yeah. It takes a while to run through that.

Sensi (00:34.157)
Was I that early? Awesome.

Sensi (00:46.061)
Where are at now?

Luc Moore (00:48.078)
77?

Sensi (00:50.369)
Awesome. good number.

Luc Moore (00:52.726)
Yeah, I think that's the number. Yeah, I think you're going to be 77. Not counting GWA stuff, but that's all right. It's a different show. yeah. So congratulations on your little one. And we've seen him at the hatchery so many times. I think he's just ready to rip.

Sensi (00:56.418)
Cool.

Sensi (01:00.587)
Yeah.

Sensi (01:12.217)
I mean, he has, I joke, he has more time on foil than most humans because I was winging with him in the womb, you know? Yeah, we bought him in the wind. He actually can't breathe that well when you put him like right into the wind. I think they are still learning how to breathe in the wind. So we're always like, my gosh, kind of protect him. we're trying to get him used to being out and about with us. And we've traded off a few times with him now at the hatchery, Brandon and I winging and it's worked really well.

Luc Moore (01:15.827)
Yeah

Sensi (01:41.677)
I'm super thankful. He's a good baby and he's just the cutest thing. He's bringing us so much joy.

Luc Moore (01:48.271)
How's that whole experience been? First time?

Sensi (01:53.519)
My dad asked me this after I gave birth. He was like, what was one word to describe that? And I was like, gnarly. It is gnarly. I mean, I had an easy pregnancy. was winging up until seven months pregnant. I felt great most of the time. I mean, we were dealing with Brandon's accident. And so that was the whole thing, but I felt really good. I stayed super active. And even then being pregnant, growing human, giving birth like the first month of

Luc Moore (01:53.857)
Hmm? Hmm? Hmm?

Luc Moore (01:59.533)
You

Sensi (02:23.311)
having a new brand new human is gnarly. The experience is just like, wow, you really can't even describe it. So expansive and beautiful and wonderful and also really hard. Really hard. No, no, no manual on a woman's body goes through a lot.

Luc Moore (02:37.57)
There's no manual. No manual. yep.

I imagine. I can imagine. I think the guys have it little bit easier, I think, on that side of the fence.

Sensi (02:50.147)
You guys have no idea. Really? You really have no idea. You cannot even fathom.

Luc Moore (02:59.223)
We're like, let's go, it's over, let's move on.

Sensi (03:01.739)
Yeah, but it's been, I'm so thankful for the experience. You I was on the fence about having kids for a little while. My dad wouldn't even talk to me about it. He was so pissed. And honestly, now I'm just, I'm so thankful. It's once again, such a beautiful transformative experience. And I'm so thankful that we get to be on this journey with him and that we've been blessed with just a beautiful, beautiful baby boy. It's such a blessing.

Luc Moore (03:11.959)
You

Luc Moore (03:29.293)
I talked to to Brandon a little bit about it when he came on the show a little while ago and I'm super happy that he is doing so much better and that we were able to hang out at AWSI and have conversations and be around. We're so thankful that I can't imagine how that would have been for you as a caretaker on that side of things and plus family and friends just to like, cause I went through something gnarly as well. was family, friends and everything that helped me through it. So I can't imagine.

Sensi (03:57.827)
Yeah, I mean, and honestly, mean, Brandon looks great from the outside and he's had a lot of amazing physical recoveries, but we're still really in the thick of it with his brain injury. He's experiencing, you know, we can let him speak to that more, but he's experiencing depression on the other side of his mania. He was manic for about six months following the brain injury and that needs to balance out in your brain apparently. And so he's now experiencing depression and yeah, I mean, this is

Luc Moore (04:08.141)
you

Sensi (04:26.253)
definitely been one of the hardest years of my life and has led to me reevaluating a lot of things, which I think we'll talk about. The shutting down of my swimmer company, realigning with new sponsors, looking at where I want to put my energy and just kind of realizing that you really have to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else. And really the only thing

Luc Moore (04:38.188)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (04:54.071)
I think that matters in this life is your health and your community, your family, the relationships that you get to cultivate and enjoy.

Luc Moore (05:03.5)
Isn't it, it's crazy to think about it though, but you start something and then you keep going down that path. And then there's people that are invested in you staying on that path. And then you keep going down there and eventually you have to kind of maybe you either get forced to stop through a year where it's just like, it gives you time to think or I don't know, some people just keep on going forever, but.

what was the thinking? Because this is huge. You've been doing this for such a long time. When did you come to that conclusion of like, okay, it's time for me to do a switch?

Sensi (05:39.801)
Hmm. Honestly, I've been thinking about it for years. The swimmer business has always been hard to Production, manufacturing, it's just it's honestly been a really difficult business. I'm always having to put out thousands and thousands of dollars on my credit cards and taking business loans out in order to pay for production, buying fabric up front, putting down deposits with my manufacturers and then not seeing

that money back until at least a minimum of six months. So it's always been a stressful business and I've had so many ups and downs with it. I wanted to quit a million times. And I'm glad I persevered for so long because I've really learned so much and it's really set me up I think for the next thing. But during COVID was the kind of like, okay, what...

should I do here? I wasn't sure what was going to happen with COVID, you know, at the beginning of the year in 2020, was like people are still going to be buying bathing suits. was supply chains were interrupted, all of those things happened. And so I really started questioning at that point, what kind of I wanted to do. And I actually looked at, I think this was in 2021. It's hard to keep all the years straight, but I started shopping it around and seeing if I could sell it. I was like talking to every mentor possible, just looking at, okay, what are

Luc Moore (06:51.112)
Hmm.

Sensi (07:04.099)
How do I offload this thing in a way that is going to feel really good? And I got some people that were really interested, some people that were like, maybe we'll buy it and take it to the next level. Those deals fell through, nothing manifested, and eventually actually ended up bringing on a partner. That's what the universe plopped in my lap at the 11th hour, to be honest. It was September and I was like, I either need to shut this thing down by the end of the year or...

What was my other option? I don't know. Like we're not, I'm not finding a buyer. It's September and the universe popped this perfect person down in my lap. She's actually a woman that worked at Nike for 20 years in design. Was an angel investor, super big fan of mine, really smart. And I brought her on as a partner.

Luc Moore (07:35.391)
Hmm.

Sensi (07:54.479)
Then we spent the next two years looking at how to grow the brand. She took over doing design. I was all fired up again because I'm like, okay, great. I've got someone in my corner. It doesn't feel like just me anymore in this and we're going to make big moves with this thing. And things always take a little bit longer than your plans are. And so the fundraising got stretched out. never actually, we were going to raise money and really pour a lot more into the brand and that.

Luc Moore (08:12.372)
Hmm.

Sensi (08:23.727)
never happened or didn't happen on the timeline that was quick enough. then Brandon got in his accident and then I found out I was pregnant and it was.

Luc Moore (08:32.02)
Hmm.

Sensi (08:37.327)
a at first it was like a okay well the business was on pause for a while as I was dealing with all that and then at the beginning of 2023 no this year 2024 yeah I'm like what are the years I figured this year Spray to Dex and it was at the of last year I was like okay Rebecca my partner I'm like we got to get some money in here I'm having a baby in August let's go we need to

we need to actually fundraise and start making some moves. And so she presented me with this fundraising plan and at the end of the presentation, because I was all like, all right, great, Rebecca's on here. My goal with this whole brand was to build it up.

As that grows, it's going to get my name out there more. As my speaking grows, it's going to get the swimmer, mower exposure and everything really is just going to build on one another. And I'm going to have people running my swimmer brand and I'm going to be over here doing the things I actually want to be doing now, but I'm still going to have this great brand. And at the end of the presentation, she, Rebecca, said we could do this whole plan. This is like March of this year, or you could take a pause and you could take a break.

Luc Moore (09:35.401)
Hmm.

Sensi (09:52.153)
First, I was really taken aback and I was like, what do you mean take a pause? How do you pause a company that has bills to pay and needs to keep its sales going and has people on, people that we need to pay and I've got my mortgage to pay? Like, what do you mean take a pause? And I actually sat with that for a while and was thinking like, okay, either I have a choice to either like

Luc Moore (10:11.783)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (10:19.983)
really pour as much energy into this as possible and try and make some moves before the baby comes or just put it on hold and kind of see what's going to happen. And it took me a while to come to the conclusion of a pause, which ended up being a shutdown. But I sat with that thought for a while and I actually had written at the beginning of the year, beginning of 2024, I wrote in my, always do.

intention setting and goal setting and all that stuff and I wrote my words for the year and one of my words for the year was momentum and then when I looked at this decision and whether or not to pause or Go full steam ahead. I went back in my journal actually crossed off momentum. I was like, I don't want this

Luc Moore (11:06.986)
Yeah

Sensi (11:09.825)
I don't want momentum. I don't want to have any goals. This feels too hard after everything that we've gone through with the accident and the pregnancy and where my priorities lie now. I don't want to pursue this. so it was a lot of wrestling over years, like in 2020 when I was like, okay, can I sell this thing or am I shutting it down? What's happening? I went through a lot of release and identity processing and

a lot of like, can I let this thing go? Because for the longest time, Luke, was like, I physically couldn't let it go. I was like, I can't. And then finally I was like, okay, no, I think I'm ready. can. That was a really long story.

Luc Moore (11:46.241)
I mean, yeah, absolutely. sounds. Yeah.

Luc Moore (11:53.737)
No, that's why you're here, to be able to share it. That's a four year timeframe. That makes sense though, because how long had you been in there for? I was gonna say, yeah, 13, 14, yeah.

Sensi (12:06.127)
Well, this is 13 years at the end of this year is 13 years. I launched it. Yeah. The beginning of January, January, 2022 is when I first launched it. And I started working on it the year before that. So it's been a lot of time and energy and looking back on it. I think, I think now it's sad. I'm so proud of it. And I'm so excited for the next chapter. but still looking back, I'm sad because of.

The amount of time and energy I put into it and the girl that I was when I started it who really just wanted to prove herself and set out to make a brand because she wanted to be an entrepreneur so badly and was attached to the result. And now I know that your worthiness doesn't come from what you do. it's we're all inherently worthy no matter what.

Luc Moore (13:02.505)
But through that whole journey, you were helping empower women in sport. You were looking at it differently. You were competing against those big dogs that might not necessarily care about those values and are just looking to push stuff and getting manufacturing in China by kids and like all that kind of stuff. I think, and then inspired a whole, you don't know how many young women that you inspire to A, kite or B get into to take the chance and to go and pursue something of their dreams as well. like,

For all of that, think like congratulations for doing that and especially for having the courage to do that because that takes a lot of courage to go out and do something and then put yourself on Instagram and share stories about it and share how you feel and all that like that. That takes a lot of courage to be able to do something. Like we get scared about just putting out a reel on Instagram and show on my face, right? It's like, man, we gotta do this, right? But it's like,

Sensi (13:38.767)
Hmm.

Sensi (13:49.923)
Hehehe

Sensi (13:59.567)
Bye.

Luc Moore (14:00.135)
for you to be able to do something like that, through that whole length of like 13, cause normally stuff, can almost look at it as seven year cycles. You went through like two seven year cycles with this thing. That is, that's pretty cool.

Sensi (14:13.043)
Yeah, no, thank you for that acknowledgement. that's, I think one of the reasons why I actually had a hard time letting it go, because I was like, gosh, this is a great platform. We have an amazing community. I want to just keep growing this thing. And I have gotten so many messages from people that have said, you inspired me to start my business or watching you grow your brand has enabled me to believe in myself more. And so things like that just really obviously hit my heart and make it all.

Luc Moore (14:15.856)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (14:42.445)
totally worth it. also I'm like, dang it, you know, I'm not going to have this thing anymore. But I'm so past that now because I realized that there's so much power in letting go of something that you've grown with so much and that you're not growing with anymore. It's time to move on to the next thing that's really going to be expansive and be growth oriented and focused. And I think there's so much

Luc Moore (14:57.606)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (15:10.935)
I use the word power again in saying, does this thing really align with who I want to become? am I only holding onto this because of some cost fallacy, because I put so much into it that I can't physically let it go. And I've obviously come into the conclusion that.

the next evolution is going to be so much greater and I'm super excited for him.

Luc Moore (15:37.411)
Is that?

Sensi (15:41.679)
Speaking, yeah, speaking, yeah, speaking and mentoring. Maybe it's not, yeah, maybe it's not, maybe it is a big surprise, maybe it's not because I've been doing it on the kind of side, but that's what I feel the most inspired by and the most passionate about. It's sharing my story, as I have been doing for 13 years, as you pointed out, and inspiring and lifting up other humans. I have gotten so much out of,

Luc Moore (15:41.786)
The big reveal. Speaking.

amazing. Yeah.

Luc Moore (15:53.851)
Yeah.

Sensi (16:10.401)
listening to inspirational motivational speakers and I'm like, yes, amazing. You make me feel awesome. Let's go. Let's do this. And when I am able to offer and give that to someone else, it really truly feels like the Japanese word Ikigai, which means your purpose. Do you know that term? It's where the intersection of what you're good at, what the world needs, what you can get paid for. And now I'm totally blanking on the fourth piece.

Luc Moore (16:24.23)
you

Sensi (16:37.763)
what you're good at, what the world needs, what you can get paid for and what's the fourth one? There's a fourth one. Shoot, I say this all the time and I'm telling you, it. But it's that intersection of all those things that's greater than your purpose. It's your calling, it's your mission. It's something that really lights up your soul. And so that's where I'm at right now. And I think of...

Luc Moore (16:44.57)
I don't know.

Sensi (17:05.139)
learn to not put so much on what I'm doing and say, okay, if it's meant to be, meant to be. I'm going to be what my mentor says to practice high intention, low attachment, high intention with what I'm doing, coming into it with the greatest expectation, but the lowest attachment to the outcome. Whatever is meant to happen will happen.

Luc Moore (17:11.716)
Hmm.

Luc Moore (17:28.642)
That is exciting. Do you think that you will have more time for let's say family and for water time or to raise your son as well with this business rather than Sensei Swimwear?

Sensi (17:47.897)
That's a great question because with an infant, I feel like I have no time and he is sucked. You know, let go of this swimmer company. I don't feel like it's going to open up time because I'm like, have no time. But certainly, think certainly because I've been working on it in the background and I've been juggling, to be honest, three businesses, Struck Kiteboarding and Wink Boiling Camps, the speaking and mentoring, which I'm most passionate about.

Luc Moore (17:53.605)
That's I was wondering.

You

Sensi (18:15.087)
and then the swimwear company. And the swimwear company takes up the most time and has evolved to be the one that I've been least passionate about over the last couple of years. so another one of the people that I really looked up to, a woman named Marie Forleo says, simplify to amplify. Let go of what's no longer so are you so you can pour into what lights you up.

Luc Moore (18:31.193)
Mm-hmm.

Luc Moore (18:37.647)
That's true. What do you like the most about that public speaking mentoring space?

Sensi (18:44.505)
The impact, I believe in the message that I'm sharing so much that it doesn't feel like I'm selling myself or of course my ego gets involved, but it doesn't feel like, I need to do this to prove myself, which is how the swimmer brand felt. It's more like I'm doing this because I know that it serves people and I know that it's helpful and I feel lit up by it and I know that it lights up other people. And so it doesn't matter if I trip coming up on the stage or if I look stupid.

Luc Moore (18:59.172)
Hmm.

Sensi (19:12.353)
If one person is affected by the message, then that's the importance of it. That's the point.

Luc Moore (19:20.794)
Do you think that closing down, you'll be able to reach maybe a new demographic of people that would have otherwise said, because now let's say you've gone through the whole circle of everything. Like my first thought was obviously, Ooh, try to sell it. Ooh, try to do that. But it's like, you've gone through all of those steps. Now you can mentor people. Cause let's say that was a circle you were meant to close, which it is, but then somebody else could be in that same circle, not see it.

So you might see those obstacles that say, I think you should push through or.

Sensi (19:52.587)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, a hundred percent. I think once I was coming into the acceptance of, a pause, leaning into a shutdown, I knew that this was going to be... I knew that if I didn't actually have the power and the strength to shut it down, that I was going to feel bad about myself. I knew that the most impactful decision was actually going to be to let it go.

And by doing that, you're exactly right. I'll be able to lead more people through it because I've had that experience and it'll open up so much more freshness and so much more newness. And I won't be just hanging onto this thing anymore because I think we do that so much. And I really think in this culture, there's this idea of winners never quit and quitters never win. But in fact, quitting is a super powerful tool and

I think the most successful people quit things. Like you have to fail a million times. And when you, when you can look at something and say, actually, this is not working. Why am I still putting time into it? It's, know, there's kind of questions. Okay. Let me ask you this, Luke. Are you the type of person that if you start a book, you have to finish it?

Luc Moore (21:06.156)
You're talking to the wrong man here. think I've read five books, I think in my entire life. When I went through my rehab process, I read four books a series, three times, I think. Yeah, I may have read six in my whole life. I don't know. I just felt like I would read when I was 85 and retired. I was just like, no, I got my body. I have to do something with it, especially after recovery.

You're like, want to just play as much as I can with it. And then obviously my other time work, I don't have time for that, but sorry, that was a rant.

Sensi (21:39.403)
Okay, no, no, I love it. Okay, well how about if you start a podcast? yeah, if you start, the point is.

Luc Moore (21:47.148)
I am, I have that personality, especially like I'm learning how to foil more so in the waves here. So like I'll do a six K down winder and just every day I'm gonna just practice up, practice up, practice stuff until I get a little bit better. And then if I have to quit, like today I came up and I was falling all on my jobs. So you're tired, but let's take you like it's been three. I was supposed to go out for an hour. I think it ended up being a three hour session.

Sensi (22:11.884)
wow. Okay, well that's.

Luc Moore (22:13.419)
6K down, 6K up. Like it's that kind of mentality for all of us, right? Cause we have to be stubborn. Yes. Yeah. No, no, no.

Sensi (22:18.735)
Yes, and that's a positive. I'm not trying to say that, just giving up on things. Because what is that? The quote about climbing Mount Everest, who is the first guy to summit? my gosh, I can't think. By the way, mom brain is totally a real thing. You totally lose your pure track of thinking. But anyway, it's like, why summit a mountain? And the answer is because it's there. As humans, we have innate nature to conquer things and achieve and get to the end of the trail. But all that to say.

Luc Moore (22:34.515)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (22:48.426)
Yeah, sorry about that.

Sensi (22:49.199)
If you, in no shade on people that have to finish books, but it's like, if you're reading a book or listening to podcasts or doing anything and it sucks, it's like, put the, put it down. Why, why you don't have to fit. Yeah, it's really hard. You don't have to finish it just because you feel, the need to see it to conclusion. And that's, you know, maybe not the best analogy for moving up from something that's no longer serving you, but the point being,

Luc Moore (23:02.754)
So hard.

Sensi (23:18.925)
when we can recognize that things are no longer helping us grow or no longer serving us, then there's so much strength and once again power in moving on from it.

Luc Moore (23:31.106)
And self-respect. looking at that, when you look back at things and you've crossed off all your T's and closed all your doors, then maybe that was just supposed to be there for that next chapter. And I know you're going to have a lot of fabric left, so you're able to make all this cool clothes for your little guy.

Sensi (23:33.06)
Hmm.

Sensi (23:51.272)
I'm trying to sell it right now. No!

Luc Moore (23:52.406)
Any neon colors left? Damn. As I said, we should get some, we'll make some shirts.

Sensi (23:59.974)
awesome. I think of a stripe.

Luc Moore (24:04.06)
Okay, yeah, and I heard something else about you writing for a particular somebody. Yeah.

Sensi (24:12.513)
Yes, I am super thrilled. I'm sharing this publicly for the first time on the Wing Live podcast. I am now an ambassador for Armstrong and yeah, kind of a big deal. I'm thrilled and I want to tell this story because I think it just really exemplifies how awesome of a brand that they are and I'm just thrilled to be partnering with them. As I mentioned,

Luc Moore (24:17.921)
Whoa.

Luc Moore (24:24.322)
Whoa. Lucky army. Yeah.

Sensi (24:42.447)
earlier this year when I'm reevaluating my entire life and looking at what I want to be doing next. I felt called to meet with other brands. I've been riding with Slingshot for a number of years and I just felt that I wanted to align with a brand that was putting a little bit more into women and supporting women in water sports my entire career.

The I got connected with a guy from Armstrong who happened to be in Hood River for a week and I he actually came to the Egypt premiere of the movie that Kylie Zermattie and I did filmed in Egypt last October which is all about Sarah Siddick the first Egyptian pro kitesurfer female pro kitesurfer from Egypt. Super exciting we love that project. Slingshot.

Kodopaxi and RideEngine supported that project and we premiered it at Ket for Cancer. Anyway, a guy named Nathan happened to be there from Armstrong.

Luc Moore (25:54.943)
he's a guy. Yeah, met him at, yeah. Yeah, like, yeah.

Sensi (25:57.225)
You meet him? And he came up to me right afterwards and said, Hi, I'm Nathan. I'd love to have a chat with you. Let's go get coffee. I'm here for a few weeks. I was like, great. Let's do it. I spoke at the premiere. I spoke at the premiere. So he saw me speak and we went out for coffee and just kind of chatted about the industry and everything. And this is a funny little interlude Luke by the end of the meeting. We aligned a lot of stuff and

Luc Moore (26:10.337)
cultures.

Sensi (26:23.759)
He told me that he wanted to have by the end of 2025, equal numbers of men and women on their team. And I was like, yes, we're here for that. Amazing. And at the end of that first coffee date, I said, Nathan, what's your role at Armstrong anyway? And he's like, I'm the CEO. And I was like, okay, let's go. So I'm nine months pregnant at this point, by the way. So we have another meeting the next week and kind of just chatting about what

Luc Moore (26:41.628)
Yes.

Luc Moore (26:48.415)
Yeah.

Sensi (26:53.327)
I put together this little package for him, everything that I've done in the industry and what I can offer, we're just kind of chatting out details. this is a Friday and I'm like, nine months pregnant, huge. And we kind of do a little handshake deal. And then I give birth on Sunday, that next Sunday, we meet on Friday, I give birth on Sunday.

And then he leaves town, comes back for AWSI and we have another meeting where we're actually like, okay, are we gonna do this thing? here's my, when's my contract up here? Yeah, I wanna do this thing. And I had the baby with me in the final coffee date. I just, that like, for a brand to really put their money where their mouth is in terms of we're supporting women and yes, this is a pregnant athlete that's about to become a mom has the baby.

Luc Moore (27:34.538)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (27:49.089)
is now a mom, here's the baby right here. And yeah, we're gonna sign her on as an ambassador. I was just blown away, blown away. And so it really makes me excited about future projects with them. And we're already lining up some more fun film projects. as I said, my entire career has been about empowering women in water sports. And I really think that we have done the moms a disservice and there's a lot of

Luc Moore (28:12.608)
Hmm.

Sensi (28:18.489)
pro-kite boarder dads that are out there, but I really felt like why should my career be stifled because I have a baby?

Luc Moore (28:26.085)
It's such as, especially when the industry is accommodating to the lifestyle that allows you to do and to be the mom that you'd like to be, right? Like there isn't that, I know, it's probably just back down to the patriarchy from along Tamagot, I'm assuming, but thank you for steer heading this and kind of trying to keep continuously kind of rupturing the stereotypes that have been built over decades, which are no longer valuable. I think it's time to move on.

Sensi (28:42.785)
I know. I mean, it really is. Yeah.

Sensi (28:55.151)
It's time to move on. And there's so many women in winging now and obviously tons of moms that it just really feels like a powerful time. And I'm super excited to keep sharing the journey because that as we spoke to with the swimmer company and with all of the work that I've done and being in the industry for so long, there, you can't be what you can't see. And so I think there's just so much power in showing other

Luc Moore (28:56.66)
Mm-hmm.

Sensi (29:23.737)
people and moms and humans and women, what's possible? And I get excited about pushing those boundaries.

Luc Moore (29:33.067)
And you're in a beautiful place to do it and their gear is really good.

Sensi (29:37.359)
Really good!

Luc Moore (29:40.368)
I don't know what like New World Champ like Cass just and you've seen his movie, right? The one he just put out?

Sensi (29:44.921)
man, yeah.

I actually have not. I know I need to go. Yeah, I was going to go to the premiere when I was here in Hood River and then I did with the baby.

Luc Moore (29:50.021)
you should. Yeah, that thing's insane. Yeah.

He's like a little short little lared, if we can say that. Like for the same level and degree of enthusiasm and such an amazing kid in person. And so humble about it as well, right? Like you'll walk up to him, he's just super stoked, but you wouldn't know that that kid's charging this and this and this. So yeah, and how Army, Army is such an amazing personality. So yeah, like, yeah.

Sensi (30:00.455)
Wow

Sensi (30:16.431)
It's insane.

Sensi (30:21.593)
Yeah.

Luc Moore (30:22.953)
So they're a good team. Like I spend quite a bit of time with them whenever I go to AWS. They're a group. Yeah, I kind of go hang out and normally see Cal and everybody else. So yeah, it's cool.

Sensi (30:27.185)
you do? Cool!

Sensi (30:32.011)
Yeah, that's it just really feels like I said, like they're really a brand that's putting their money where their mouth is and it's it feels super aligned and so I'm I'm really excited. Really excited. Thank you.

Luc Moore (30:42.747)
I'm excited for you. Nice. All right. So a couple of new things. New baby, new this, new that. Hey.

Sensi (30:49.615)
Hey! You're welcome.

Luc Moore (30:52.639)
Well, thanks for sharing. Is there anything else that you wanted to put out there? Website, same as it was before for your work?

Sensi (31:01.087)
I'm actually, well, sensi graves.com is going to be my new traffic point. mean, I saw, I, have had that this whole time, but that will be where everything is going to be living. I'm actually redoing that website right now to reflect all of these changes and, everyone can get swimsuits through the end of the year. We've got a black Friday sale coming up, but after that, they will no longer be available. And so go and get them.

Luc Moore (31:23.742)
you

Sensi (31:29.901)
while you can. Who knows, maybe in 10 years I'll be like, let's do a collection. But these are collectors items at this point. so, sensigraveswim.com will be up until December 31st, 2024.

Luc Moore (31:46.846)
Well, congratulations. Coming through quite like so much stuff this year and congratulations of how you both have gone through it as a family, seeing how happy your little one is and then doing stuff that's more in line with the both of you. It's nice to see.

Sensi (32:03.129)
Thank you, Luke, thank you. We have a lot of blessings.

Luc Moore (32:05.853)
Welcome. I think we have to. We have to. Well, thanks for joining me. And I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in September if I don't get to hood sooner. But yeah, looking forward to seeing you and Brandon again and little guy. And thanks everybody for joining us tonight.

Sensi (32:09.613)
Yeah. Yeah.

Sensi (32:24.611)
Thank you.