Episode #9 - Amit Inbar

[00:00:00] Welcome to The Wing Life Podcast, where we talk about wing foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. Hi everybody, we have Amit in Barrel with us and he's for those of you who don't know him, he's an ex-pro is really a monster for him.

[00:00:24] And today's focusing more on coaching clinics for various water sports that and we have a month ago to talk about different spots that have traveling spots, or maybe off the being in track a little bit.

[00:00:39] And that have mostly been made possible by winging that haven't been that interesting but for kite surfing or when surfing. But now with winging you've had that open up. Hi everyone. Thanks for having me, first of all, it's a treat to be here.

[00:01:01] I think regards what you were saying for me the best example for a destination that opened up for winging and was never an option for a winter thing or kite surfing. So me this place would be Chicama because I've been riding Chicama for the last decade,

[00:01:26] the last 10 years, at least twice a year coaching sub clinics and surfing clinics in Chicama. And I'm coming from a wing surfing background and kite surfing background. And because the wave, the base surrounded by a really big cliff it's like, I would say

[00:01:48] 30 to 50 meters high so the wind doesn't blow all the way to the point. And so you cannot really kite a winter of the wave of Chicama. It's too gusty, it's too protected and whenever I started winging I said,

[00:02:05] fuck this is it because we can overtake the holes so easily with the foil and the wing and from then on, you know, it's history. I've been there once just to try it out with one of my camps and like a surf camp

[00:02:24] and just for myself and after the first station I just realized, I mean this is it. I mean this place was never an option for any wind sport. There's a very famous for surfing and we're riding and from now on this whole thing is

[00:02:43] going to change. This place is just too perfect for for wave riding with the wing because of the direction of the wind, the wave angle is just too perfect and even though it's so

[00:02:59] so gusty, it can be from zero to 20 but I've not small puffs of wings all over the bay. And if you're going in the right time when the direction of the wind is more set,

[00:03:13] easily then you can really cover most of the bay and this would never an option with any wind sport and just now with winging it's an option and I think for myself it's probably the best

[00:03:27] example I can transfer a place and from not an option to be a paradise. I think at home it doesn't know where Chikama is close to the well known Pakistanis mile.

[00:03:45] It's kind of similar set up but a bit of a smaller wave and more clean and longer than Pakistan then Pakistan is on to my understanding. Well yeah, Chikama it's like an hour drive

[00:03:59] on Pakistan. I think the wave of Pakistanis mile has a bit more stiff especially in low tide. The main difference between Pakistanis and Chikama is the Pakistanis mile, the landscape. It's relatively kind of flat so when the wind come across it's it's a bit it's still a bit

[00:04:20] gusty but it's not as gusty as Chikama. So wind surfing and surfing can you know they can go slowly slowly up going towards the peak and then once down the river they rip. I would say that the wind

[00:04:34] didn't pack a smile it's it's way lighter than the wind in Chikama. The wind in Chikama is way stronger but it's so it's just crazy gusty. I think lengthwise Chikama is probably way longer than

[00:04:53] Pakistanis mile but both set up perfectly notes like but for me I'd brought Chikama because it was never an option as I said before as a wind sport location and Pakistanis mile was always

[00:05:09] famous as a wind sport location and now Chikama joined the game you know and and and for me to be there to discover that I would like to be thinking and I would be unbelievable.

[00:05:26] Yeah I mean I've been riding I've been riding the the wave of Chikama using a boat it's just because the wave is so long so when I was surfing or something you know it's like

[00:05:38] paddling like 40 minutes back to the point and with the boat it just go boom boom boom boom boom and now with the wind it's even way more efficient because of the direction of the wind it's like

[00:05:50] one tack to the point and within two three minutes you back on the point getting another and has a long ride so it's kind of crazy. So no boat needed anymore I guess is what you're saying.

[00:06:03] Well not definitely the boat because the wind is kind of upside-off shores so I'm using the boats safety in the afternoon that's when the wind is the the wind is a thermal wind so in the morning it's very light that's when we use the boats for towing in

[00:06:23] within like four-four-hour session towing in every three riders have their own boat so it's kind of high and kind of it gets tons of waves and that's when we do the prone towing in. Yeah and then when the wind picks up

[00:06:41] we're using the boats first for safety because the wind is kind of a side-off all the way to offshore wind so and it's a long way to go if you get into drama so it's very

[00:06:55] very important to other boats for safety and the other thing is when the size is it's getting big even in Chicago although the wave is very mellow and makeable still to go with the

[00:07:08] wing and with the foil and everything through the beach break can be a bit of a mission for especially people which are not very familiar with the riding way, breaking waves. So we're using the boats taking the equipment and the riders through the beach break and

[00:07:27] do the bringing of the wings in the flat water after the break so everything is calm and everything is very sterilized as far as safety and then when the session is finished deflate the wings on the boats and the boats take you back to the beach so

[00:07:46] this you can really ride the wave in a very safe way and enjoy the energy of the wave without being in any stress and at the same time if you want to rip it and go very tight to the

[00:08:01] pocket obviously you can but always recover to the people that come to the camp to start slow and just take it from there and the progress will come day by day. It sounds like a really good

[00:08:13] setup it kind of takes away the intimidating and challenging parts of getting into waves and makes it accessible and easy and having a long wave like that is just so easy to see the wave so

[00:08:26] easy to stand the energy of the wave it's just perfect. Yeah I think if somebody will have to to plan it and to draw it and to make it like it for me it's the the the the the most perfect

[00:08:43] wave pool natural god bait it's just it's really perfect it's always with the high period waves so this I would say from 15 to 25 seconds between each wave so the waves are very clean

[00:09:06] even though if you got caught inside there's a lot of time for recovering but still at the same time I get people like I get to see people coming to Chicago without using the facilities like

[00:09:20] well it's in stuff and if it gets into a big size you can destroy all your equipment and there's nothing there as far as rentals and stuff I mean you gotta bring everything down there just nothing there

[00:09:34] so just keep it just keep in mind yeah for sure that makes sense so that that's a really cool example of what was made possible and I know on our end we're looking I ride back home on the

[00:09:47] Great Lakes there's another setup that's we used to win surf a lot and it would it be really pretty good or quite quite did actually about you know five are you an intermediate level wing

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[00:11:22] but with the wing it's just open up you know the other 50 times a year that it's windy there but it's just not every star lines up when all the sudden you're just having this insane and

[00:11:35] same setup where you can ride super long waves definitely not you come on or if like a smile on but really really long waves and well organized not too much power so it's really great on a foil

[00:11:49] and you can go back up wind in two seconds because you have a wing so you know it's definitely opened up things that before even if there were an option they might have been just mediocre a lot

[00:12:03] of the time and all of a sudden their world class so yeah totally you were talking to us as well about in Morocco I spot that you you found was now a lot more interesting because of the wing

[00:12:18] yeah there's in Morocco there are places obviously we go down south that to Dachla which is very famous for kind surfing wind surfing so you got the lagoon which is the flat water and then you got

[00:12:33] the open ocean which they build this kind of resort that kind of got blocked for the wind for for kind surfing or wind surfing and now with the winging kind of open up but for me personally

[00:12:49] the place that kind of walked for myself was a it's a place called mir left it's stance out then agadir very unknown place and with the winging now at the port is just amazing conditions

[00:13:07] and we got this old port down there that kind of blocked the wind and again with the wing with the gusty wind that you have there is just very makeable and before that with kitesurfing or

[00:13:21] wind surfing was just another option so for me that's another example of getting a place that was not rideable and becomes it becomes magic yeah those for me those two places are very

[00:13:38] very unique but at the bottom and I think the setup that we've got into comma is just unbeatable it's it's just too perfect I mean for me the idea of riding a wave that's the whole thing

[00:13:56] it doesn't matter really what I'm riding and to get the experience of riding four to five minutes ride I kind of find it anywhere else in the world and she come I just bring the whole package

[00:14:12] and the sensation of riding the wave first the distance the time and also the safety I mean I like to charge definitely like to charge but also like to know that I can play

[00:14:31] in a nice playground but a very safe playground for me it makes it and I mean I like to to push myself very much but at the same time I like to play safe and for me this combination

[00:14:50] she come up with the highest level yeah I can totally hear well I think of a big thing for me about water sports is that you can really depending on the setup you can really push yourself you can

[00:15:01] really kind of go as quite far out of your comfort zone and then stay in a very relatively safe environment as opposed to saying skiing or mountain biking or skateboarding you know all these other

[00:15:15] sports where you're on hard ground and when you're up 20 feet in the air and you crash it's going to hurt lots yeah always some of the friends that are being everything I love to try anything up

[00:15:30] but has to be water it has to be on water in the house I don't mind for me for me being a beginner and learning something new that's what it's all about I like I like having the challenge of

[00:15:46] learning something from scratch I like I mean I had my winter pink hair year and broke this to a perfection and then dive all the way into kite surfing and learn the whole thing again

[00:15:57] and then falling and then we I really love the learning process I really love you know waking up in the morning and and get trying to conquer it something new and and yeah just to push it but

[00:16:12] stay at the same time as you know it goes together that's need to be learning something you and doing it in a dangerous way yeah for my age I think it's how you see now

[00:16:28] I mean I would love to hear a bit about how you got into when surfing and into your water sports if we can get the folks at home to get to know you a little bit better when did your journey

[00:16:40] into all these sports start? Well I was born and raised in a small village on the coast of East Rare I going into surfing when I was seven seven years old we had a small house right on the beach

[00:16:55] then my brother going to win surfing and he went into the competitive side of it very quick and then my dad which was very dominating kind of dad he kind of pushed me to getting to win

[00:17:11] surfing so I can be my brother's training partner that's how he started I must say I hated it in the in the beginning too much equipment you know if the other way you come from surfing

[00:17:27] that you just grab your board and leash and just go and here you got all the masks and booms and sails and luck so yeah I got into that to be my brother's training partner and

[00:17:43] I think it's been like that for like two years that on the weekend my brother would go for competitions and that was my free time to surf until the family said okay we you know everybody's

[00:17:57] going to the competitions so might as well come over and you know do it and I wasn't really up to it and I think the first event that I went something really kind of open up in my personality I

[00:18:10] kind of the competitive side of me just first and and just I kind of loved the energy of competing and I think my life just switched at that day I was like 12 but when it that happened

[00:18:28] and then since then until I was like 30 years old that was my whole life when I was 12 I decided I want to be a world champion and and I want to do the Olympic games

[00:18:43] and that's I just followed my dreams until I kind of reached nearly all of them I did three campaigns for the Olympics I competed in two Olympic games in Barcelona and Sydney retired from Olympic competitions and being active athlete 2000

[00:19:07] yeah and every since then got hooked into kite surfing then stopping, foiling, winging and when I get into something I'll be like to do it like all in and really to put time in it and to to master it the best way I can

[00:19:32] until the next thing comes alone and just you know just to do the whole thing again and and working with people personally it's a very rewarding for myself taking people from one level and within relative a short time make a big significant change in

[00:19:57] their techniques so they can jump in their levels so for me personally it's very inspiring to see how I can change people's life in a way so a few very active very blessed and and rewarded and you know doing what I can

[00:20:18] yeah I'm a few blessed definitely blessed nice yeah can I can definitely relay we both have coached one sports different times and different levels and it's it's a very rewarding experience to get people that

[00:20:35] you know are already have maybe a little bit of experience but they're not doing what they want to be doing yet and then just giving them the little bit of a push that they need or the

[00:20:45] little bit of a modification and technique that they need or maybe even you know showing them how to set up their gear level differently and all the study from not being able to turn making all their turns and like well okay that was cool

[00:21:00] well definitely I mean if we didn't hear some yeah I got my gear approach is very very I don't know if it's old school or very different I'm I'm a very aniquipment kind of guy obviously I'm very curious about the new things and what's changing but at

[00:21:24] the same time I'm looking at the chase of people chasing the the newest gear and the fastest and the the high aspect and low aspect and me aspect and instead of spending more time in the water

[00:21:41] on the same set that you've got learn it the the more you use it the better for you get and just changing and changing and changing and changing and changing and changing all the time

[00:21:57] chasing this endless chase of and I mean I've got a shock back home it might be lots of business very hard sailing but at the same time this is this is the way I see things and for me

[00:22:20] if you buy in a certain equipment you want to use it for a certain time and to learn it and not to replace it all the time with something else it's a not very commercial way but

[00:22:34] it's for me the true way I can see for myself if I've been for example when I started pulling I was I'm still a go for a kind of guy and I was using the the kai or such a long time

[00:22:47] and then the Iowa was using the Iowa so long even though new things came along and and I know I know this is kind of a old man or people kind of toy

[00:23:03] foiling it's a toy after when people hit their toys and like buying and and getting in more and more toys but it doesn't make you a better foiler server the other way around I mean I see people

[00:23:16] coming to the beach with too much gear and they don't really know what to put on and they always said this kind of feeling that I thought put my 4.5 on that was perfect for the 4.5 and I was on my

[00:23:29] you know you always have this feeling that could have been better so for one one way I can relate to this hobby that people have and and part of the hobby is you know being a curious

[00:23:47] and and to be involved with industry that you're taking part of especially when it's fast-growing as it is as we're pulling at the moment but if you see it's kind of the same

[00:24:01] way as we had with wing surfing and tight surfing and surfing and like any other trend and I think if people would pay more attention spending more time in the water instead of getting new stuff all the time they would be a better so for sure

[00:24:21] it's not the first time I've heard that I mean I talked to some guys actually I think it was maybe at net lake on Vancouver Island on the west coast of Canada and I was out there practicing

[00:24:33] in very light winds with a almost a sinker just like a slight floater just practicing my my jibs just on with my board on the water just turning around and I came back to shore and

[00:24:45] they were saying well like you know what my board is too small or this is not working or I don't have enough and I said well like I was just out there I said yeah but there wasn't enough wind

[00:24:53] I said well actually there was enough wind it just depends on how you want to look at the sport and and I do like the way you're thinking about it and breaking that down because

[00:25:04] there is maybe 10 different aspects of that sport there's light wind what happens if this happens what happens if that happens so it's nice to put yourself into that different mindset and then to try to master all the different steps of the sport so that you can become an

[00:25:20] overall better wing foiler because sometimes if you're in the ocean and the wind shuts off it's nice to know that you can come in and say eight knots and you'll be fine but if you never

[00:25:34] take the time to practice that then when you're getting into like a situation where the wind is super light and you're writing waves well then you're not ready for that because you're just going to fall

[00:25:43] over so that aspect of things I enjoy and I've been writing the same foil for the last three years and I got in an Armstrong 1550 V1 mid-aspect kind of and I love it

[00:25:58] it's definitely a different mindset and it kind of it would you say that I meet that kind of ties into the passion of the sport or maybe trying to become the best athlete you can be is there

[00:26:10] it was that mindset maybe something that came from your Olympic campaigns or where how did you develop that because there are certain people with that mindset but there's not a lot of people

[00:26:21] are chasing that forever turning wheel of of the marketing and it's the gear that's going to help me get better well maybe because of my background I'm coming from like a one design class kind

[00:26:33] of things so the days that I was competing so there was like one size of sale no matter what the wind is it's like wind or strong wind so it's like this is it and you've got to manage that

[00:26:47] and I think maybe this kind of educate me to push myself with the same equipment no matter whether conditions are obviously this is the extreme it's not the wind should be yes for sure

[00:27:01] but at the same time I'm looking at myself today and if I look at the quiver that I'm using it will be mostly one size of wind inflatable wind normally like a five I'll have one mask and

[00:27:20] two front wing and one tail and that's about it and this will cover the whole thing like wind, winging, prone, stopping whatever and it took me time to dial which sizes that

[00:27:36] I'm going to use but once I reach that that's it I don't need anything else and I think I'm really a bit set up with the chase after the equipment and I want to have more

[00:27:53] reliability of what I can do as a person and as a follower as a server and not what the equipment can do for me. I'm not chasing anyone anymore I'm not competing with anyone anymore

[00:28:13] and I want to have this relationship with my equipment that it takes time to to build it's like it's like your relationship and if you're not too much equipment and you're not biting it you cannot have this relationship that's the way I see it very romantic.

[00:28:34] I like that I like the way you're looking at that because it is true and it may be for a lot of people at home as well who are worried about how much gear they need you don't need as much as you think

[00:28:46] to get started and even with the gear that you have yes there is some gear that's going to be harder to ride that makes sense but if you get yourself a good setup that setup could actually last

[00:28:57] you for longer than you think. Oh yeah, to sure in obviously my philosophy is not a very good marketing philosophy it doesn't make sense for people who have shops or import stuff

[00:29:11] because you sell less that's for sure but that's the way I do it and that's the way I believe it. That's the best to do that. I think Luke alluded to something that's very important in that

[00:29:27] all three of us are riding gear that we've been riding for a while but it's actually quite good gear that we're on and a lot of the gear that was made two or three years ago by a number of companies

[00:29:39] just kind of getting into the wing game was not very good and in some cases you could be riding something that you know you could have an easier time riding something that's not necessarily

[00:29:52] more recent but just easier gear to ride. Really really good example of that is the first four else that were made for free ride when surfing by a number of companies that didn't really

[00:30:05] weren't foiling companies. They were just you know when surfing brands and then all the sudden this foiling book is in and they had to put something out on the market so they did and

[00:30:17] you know I kind of worked but it was really challenging to ride and if you're somebody who kind of looked for as affordable of an option responsible to get into the sport early on and you got

[00:30:30] one of those foils then changing your gear in that situation could actually help you but I do in general I agree with a meet 100% that once you have a reasonably good foil you don't need to be

[00:30:46] changing the way in twice a year every time a new aspect ratio comes out or a new outline comes out or anything like that and that's probably detrimental to you. Maybe to our future sponsors

[00:30:59] this is Dr. Manzomotin. I've got people coming to the camps that I'm running for example in Chitama people that you know they've been what I met for many years and you know experience

[00:31:15] winger doing it for like two years to an half years and they come with tons of equipment like seriously and and and and I always we always end in up using

[00:31:32] one or two sizes and it's always you know when when we start the conversation I mean they don't know me and whenever they want to register the camp we start talking on the phone and we always

[00:31:46] have this gear conversation what are you writing what are you bringing what you're bringing and so on and when I when I can when I can see when the person in front of me is a gear free

[00:32:03] and I get this list of like endless front wing telling and at the end like what should I bring I'll say just bring it all just bring it all and then I mean at the end of the time we're using

[00:32:18] one or two sizes and I think those people when they finish the camp with me they come up with a better understanding about equipment and they're getting less and less equipment that's true.

[00:32:32] I think one aspect of that is it's very hard to know what to buy at the start because all the stores obviously their aim is to hopefully sell you something so you have so many different

[00:32:47] salesman selling stuff and that's when actually been why who is the designer owner of on Kiporting came and talked to Tom and I and he was like thanks guys for kind of starting this podcast

[00:32:59] because you're bringing real-world experience into the market so that people can understand it's like hey like I ride with like I'm riding Armstrong 1550 and I like it it does very well for this ranging

[00:33:11] conditions and we're taking the marketing aspect out of it because we're just guys I love the sport and want to give back and so for that I can see it it's very confusing for the everyday consumer

[00:33:23] because if you log on to the internet and search like you could get $10,000 or 20 grand with a stuff. Yeah you get lost you definitely get lost now yeah you definitely get lost and people are buying

[00:33:37] way over too much equipment for the first year because they get lost like two three boards in one year two three fours in one year two three wings in one year this is like crazy

[00:33:49] this is like crazy this is just no need for all that so I mean when did you so you went through your whole Olympic career and you as as a waterman and then why did you decide or was it just a natural

[00:34:02] progression to start teaching and getting into and to getting at the camps? Yeah I mean at the beginning I was working as the National Coach back here in Israel and I go tired of

[00:34:16] working with the Federation and all the politics involved and I felt there's so much knowledge out there from with me and so I started working with private people and slowly slowly got bigger and bigger

[00:34:31] I spent like two years living in Sinai we had like a tight surfing center my wife and I and then I was kind of I'm still kind of addicted to moving around and traveling the world

[00:34:44] like I said I was traveling since I was 12 I was I was moving like eight months a year chasing the competition and training camps when I was competing and when I settled in after

[00:34:59] quit from racing I was kind of trying to see how I can keep on moving and try to come came up with combining coaching people and moving together into this really fun environment of work doing like 10 to 12 camps a year in different location worldwide and so

[00:35:27] I'm traveling a lot and for me that's something which is very very important to keep moving and exploring this planet and at the same time working with people and trying to give as

[00:35:42] much as I can from my knowledge as a waterman and yeah trying to to to to to to this life the heaviest I can in doing with our love this that's what it's all about that thing.

[00:35:56] I think if you want to get a bit isoteric or a little bit deeper like one of the biggest things we can do here is that transference of joy from one human being to the other and a lot

[00:36:07] of masters look at that as a very deep symbolic gesture of of achieving a level on earth here that that's seen to extend and I think that's exactly what you are doing and it's very cool that

[00:36:20] you've been able to do that. No thank you for putting you that that's very yeah that's it's very true I mean as I said before I feel I'm very blessed like knowing what I want to do since the young age

[00:36:35] and just walking through this path all those years and still being passionate about what I do after for after so many years in the ocean they have the stoked and I mean even today

[00:36:49] it's such a great session I mean where this swell very clean swell here in Israel I'm in Israel at the moment and it's a winter sweat and I was always cool stuff it's like I just like

[00:37:04] the first winter life you know and and to me it's like that's what it's all about. Very simple and in the sport of winning right now there's a lot of people that are starting to

[00:37:15] look for some cool destinations to go to and they're also looking to learn so first of all how would people maybe get in touch with you to find out about their camps and all that kind of thing.

[00:37:29] I'm trying to explore every year and new destination for many camps at the moment locations that we go through are Peru, Maldives, Senegal, Morocco obviously Peru, Panama and you can reach me by the website it calls expressyoursurf.com

[00:37:57] all the information is down there at the website expressyoursurf.com the camps are running from April sorry from September to April okay you can find the website which month exactly which camps are run and where I think not very objective but seriously

[00:38:25] all the camps that I'm running at the moment for winning for people are looking to ride the energy of the way and not the energy of the wind i think she comma is probably the better the best option possible and for chikama there's kind of

[00:38:45] there is registration people need to send like a video of yourself, winging because there's kind of a minimum level to enter the camp i obviously need to go upwing, driving, tacking,

[00:38:59] work late anything less than that as far as level i think chikama is probably another best place for you the rest of the camps even early at level like beginner level can be also an option but for

[00:39:17] chikama this like the specific level need to enter the camp okay so maybe what we can do is walk through some some people who haven't been to your website yet so they would go there they would book

[00:39:32] their trip with you and you said it starts with a fun call some starts yeah it starts with a email and then once we go through the email and all the information is there for me it's very

[00:39:47] very important to to talk on a personal level and then once we've done the talk it's very important to me to see the level of the person that is attending the camp and nevertheless it's very important

[00:40:03] to know that in the camps it's always no more than nine riders so it's a very limited small number of people entering the camps and for me it's very important obviously to see that there's a

[00:40:18] connection between me and the person which is coming so talks are very important and because it's very intimate private kind of thing it's not like a big camp that you've got like 30

[00:40:33] people and you know whoever can join in it's very intimate kind of thing and for me it's important to have the connection with the person before we even meet and for example I got two

[00:40:46] camps coming up now in March and I love the mix of the people it's like people coming from New Zealand Puerto Rico, Switzerland, Hawaii, San Francisco, Israel so I'm very excited about that that was kind

[00:41:04] of a dream to me too yeah that was I was working mostly with the Israeli people and slowly slowly scanning one more international we had two camps with people coming to the stage that was

[00:41:18] they big breakthrough from me and and this camp is already we got the things six different nations in March so I'm very stoked about that for me on the personal level let's like a dream come true

[00:41:37] yeah yeah that is pretty exciting and are people responsible for their own accommodations or is that something that you provide also or I'm provide the whole package it's the the package is everything besides their line ticket once you land you take a check out for example

[00:41:59] one that in July which is the final destination everything has been taken care of from airport shuttle accommodation obviously the coaching video on this storage moments use i mean in Chicago you

[00:42:17] were using up to eight hours a day boat ride i mean that's it's an option i mean people physically cannot do that but it's an option okay so you make it as easy as possible

[00:42:30] for everybody to kind of enjoy these these spots and and that's kind of where i wanted to find out because depending on where you live if you only have a week it's really nice to be able to go somewhere

[00:42:42] have everything organized be with somebody that has the experience like you have so that you can go and enjoy yourself and then come back home and that kind of thing so it's good to hear all those

[00:42:52] aspects of your trips that they are full inclusive in that sense yeah that's what it's all about i mean people who join me they know that everything is been taken care of and they should come to chill

[00:43:06] and enjoy themselves they don't need to hustle about where's the car is coming from and who's the boat driver and is there gas in the boat or you know nothing is there's no hassle they just

[00:43:19] enjoy themselves okay now that's good to hear people bring the own gear most of the places that we go to the very remote and there's nothing to run or to repair so that's all need

[00:43:35] to be making consideration as far you know bringing space bars and stuff like that okay and making sure to check with your airline and know there's some airlines that are friendly or

[00:43:49] with gear then others and actually this is kind of a cool water people packing are they bringing fiberglass boards like they're bringing hard boards that they just bring in blow ups or none of them didn't have any incredible stuff yet no everybody's bringing hard boards

[00:44:10] traveling let's say I must say for my experience not too bad at all I think the airline they're actually getting better I think now most of their line are allowing boardbacks as instead of a speed-cate and even without paying like I mean I'm working with K-Lamer from

[00:44:34] the Star Tech great I'm in there they're allowing to send up to 20 kilos with no charge so yeah summer land has there been a boardbag of choice that you like the best to pack all your

[00:44:50] ringing stuff and this is something we haven't actually talked about on the podcast yet well after years of packing was surfing equipment my philosophy about packing uh of switch from being very on it like you know to be very half a day take you to pack all the

[00:45:13] stuff and my philosophy now is just chuck everything in the bag and just zipper it up seriously seriously seriously and obviously now traveling to Chicago I just take this big wind surfboard bag and I just put like this inside is like a subboard from board wingboard two

[00:45:41] foils one wing two wing actually two one X everything is it's like 75 kilos bag and it's it's huge bag and it just goes and everything is fine fair enough yeah all right folks at home we don't need to worry but I think is what we're getting

[00:46:02] which is pretty cool no I was just saying I don't know if I've ascended to that level of Zen in my packing yet but well the world champion you know we got to give him something

[00:46:17] I've done so much effort you know packing it's very very neat and everything got too and I tried all the whole variety of options of packing through the years and it

[00:46:32] came to understanding it doesn't really matter so I just zip it up and send it and hopefully come for the best fair enough I like that one thing that is mentioning is that if you're flying

[00:46:46] with wing surfing gear you should say that you're flying with kite surfing gear but a lot of my buddies kite surfing gear free and a lot of companies don't know what winging is yet

[00:46:56] and you don't want to be paying for when surfing gear because it's often more expensive than kite surfing gear so if anybody asks you what's in the bag you don't say a dead body you don't say

[00:47:06] when surfing gear you say kite surfing gear better that's fair and then insurance is another thing that you could always look into if you're riding with a lot of stuff I think

[00:47:16] Tom and when we flew to put into San Carlos there we had some we wanted to make sure us stuff was safe for sure but that would be another conversation on to itself

[00:47:28] yeah yeah well I mean I want to say it was a pleasure to meet you it was great to find out more about you and actually I would be stoked to go to one of these camps in Peru without

[00:47:40] being believable yeah come over guys we'll have you coming and thanks for having over and yeah it's been a blast awesome all right well help you enjoy your day and we'll talk soon

[00:47:57] all right the guys a lot bye bye all right everybody thanks a lot for joining us thanks for joining Tom and I in this episode we hope you enjoyed it and we'll see you next time